Stupid World

[Brian d marge]

I thought religion was the biggest con job ever.

Wished I had worked harder when I was young instead of buggering off overseas for a decade.....

Still...working in an office is not too bad when your Boss only comes over from Sydney once a year to see how its going

and you spend three nights out sampling craft beers

Its even better if ya don't have a boss and ya sit in a place that provides everything and drink some very nice home brew

I wish I had seen the con , a decade ago , I would have buggered of earlier ,,,

[bogan]

They are. The result is called technological unemployment. You know, putting people out of jobs and in many cases, putting people out of well pad jobs. I spent the last 20 years putting people out of work and am very familiar with the outcomes of helping business to become more efficient. The argument against that is that people can go and do other things, which is pretty tricky when the Harvard Business Review, for one, has estimated that over the next 20/25 years 75% of current employment will be automated. It'll be amusing to see how the economy keeps functioning then. Some morons, like Gates for instance, are saying that we can tax the robots that get paid wages. It'd be funny if it wasn't such an ignorant idea.

I get no handouts other than that which my wife gives me. See, you keep talking about money where I've stated quite clearly that my way of doing things doesn't require money. Some understanding you've got there.

Anyhoo, it'll soon be time for you to end up on the ignore list. Primarily because you aren't looking for understanding as you seem to believe that you're the teacher. Amusing as always, but, nah. Oh BTW, my wife knows what your response to this post will be and I'll simply smile whilst I click the ignore button. Tis quite an achievement to end up on a list that only has Husa and TDL on it.

Yeh that's an actual issue alright. What should society look like when we are at that sort of automation, should we allow population to expand to the point of a drastic reduction in biodiviersity to feed and house us all?

You've stated quite clearly you need technology and land to get your thing going, these things cost money, money is gained from production. So, one way to get you thing going, would be to produce, get money, then get land. It's not hard at all tbh, I fail to see why you demand 'my' society just give it to you for nothing.

Is your ignore list for full time ignoring then, or just a partial?

[Katman]

Yeh that's an actual issue alright. What should society look like when we are at that sort of automation, should we allow population to expand to the point of a drastic reduction in biodiviersity to feed and house us all?

I wouldn't worry too much.

Society's heading towards an Autie Apocalypse anyway.

[bogan]

Society's heading towards an Autie Apocalypse anyway.

Do go on, I'm not quite sure what you mean, or how it would transpire...

[mashman]

Yeh that's an actual issue alright. What should society look like when we are at that sort of automation, should we allow population to expand to the point of a drastic reduction in biodiviersity to feed and house us all?

You've stated quite clearly you need technology and land to get your thing going, these things cost money, money is gained from production. So, one way to get you thing going, would be to produce, get money, then get land. It's not hard at all tbh, I fail to see why you demand 'my' society just give it to you for nothing.

Is your ignore list for full time ignoring then, or just a partial?

Dammit, not what I expected... heh.

When? We already have that kind of automation capability, but again, money prevents it from being implemented at a much faster pace than it currently is. I have a sneaking suspicion, after talking to a few kids about the issue of overpopulation, that education in a society that's moving towards something better will work wonders. In theory we should be able to ask kids today to stop reproducing at such a rate, but then who'd pay for pensions? Economoney literally gotz the world by the balls.

I understand the link you were making to production. However, you said be the change that I'd like to see, and that involves access to the resources without having to pay for them, because that is a part of my change and not everyone who wats the same change can afford it either. Ask TVP how easy it is, they have access to the land, they have the designer, they have the people, yet where's the city? Oh yeah, they don't have the money for the materials or the machinery to produce their own. It doesn't mean that they, nor I for that matter, won't produce... especially given their bent for sustainability. They're not doing it for the money after all.

Full-time. If I see a post of theirs, it's coz someone else has quoted them and by the time I've finish the second sentence of the quote, I usually realise who's posted it, then check who was quoted, giggle and ignore the rest of the post. See, some of us ignore the source to start with and deal with the information without bias

[bogan]

Dammit, not what I expected... heh.

When? We already have that kind of automation capability, but again, money prevents it from being implemented at a much faster pace than it currently is. I have a sneaking suspicion, after talking to a few kids about the issue of overpopulation, that education in a society that's moving towards something better will work wonders. In theory we should be able to ask kids today to stop reproducing at such a rate, but then who'd pay for pensions? Economoney literally gotz the world by the balls.

I understand the link you were making to production. However, you said be the change that I'd like to see, and that involves access to the resources without having to pay for them, because that is a part of my change and not everyone who wats the same change can afford it either. Ask TVP how easy it is, they have access to the land, they have the designer, they have the people, yet where's the city? Oh yeah, they don't have the money for the materials or the machinery to produce their own. It doesn't mean that they, nor I for that matter, won't produce... especially given their bent for sustainability. They're not doing it for the money after all.

Full-time. If I see a post of theirs, it's coz someone else has quoted them and by the time I've finish the second sentence of the quote, I usually realise who's posted it, then check who was quoted, giggle and ignore the rest of the post. See, some of us ignore the source to start with and deal with the information without bias

We actually don't, while we have a lot of smart automation capability the level and quantity of specialisation required to do what you are asking is not available at this time, I'm guessing you've not had much to do with production automation? I think the tipping point will be automated transport, for self drive trucks to be viable we will need to have acheived not just rote automation (which is where we are now) but adaptive and intelligent automation. In any case, I asked what it would look like when we are at that level of automation, not when it would be available.

That's a massive cop-out, clearly, you often have to put some work in to be the change. I'm well aware of TVP thanks, they just reinforce the point that a handout for large infrastructure investment is not the way to get things started.

Excellent, make sure to let me know when I get on the list, I'll look forward to not have to respond to your drivelous cop-outs about money fucking up all your plans...

[oldrider]

Henry Markow Ph.D. tells it the way it is (which is not the way we are normally told) - https://www.henrymakow.com/ (always an interesting alternate viewpoint!)

[Voltaire]

Henry Markow Ph.D. tells it the way it is (which is not the way we are normally told) - https://www.henrymakow.com/ (always an interesting alternate viewpoint!)

True culture is based on religion, i.e. a collective commitment to spiritual ideals such as absolute justice, love, beauty and truth. "God is a Spirit and we worship him in Spirit and in Truth," Christ said. (John 4:24)

Mankind invented religion and its kept a lot of people in jobs, power, misery, concentration camps, mass graves etc.

Kept people in line " you'll go to Hell".

Looks to have been largely replaced by Smart Phone worship and Game of Thrones.

[Voltaire]

Dammit, not what I expected... heh.

When? We already have that kind of automation capability, but again, money prevents it from being implemented at a much faster pace than it currently is. I have a sneaking suspicion, after talking to a few kids about the issue of overpopulation, that education in a society that's moving towards something better will work wonders. In theory we should be able to ask kids today to stop reproducing at such a rate, but then who'd pay for pensions? Economoney literally gotz the world by the balls.

I understand the link you were making to production. However, you said be the change that I'd like to see, and that involves access to the resources without having to pay for them, because that is a part of my change and not everyone who wats the same change can afford it either. Ask TVP how easy it is, they have access to the land, they have the designer, they have the people, yet where's the city? Oh yeah, they don't have the money for the materials or the machinery to produce their own. It doesn't mean that they, nor I for that matter, won't produce... especially given their bent for sustainability. They're not doing it for the money after all.

Full-time. If I see a post of theirs, it's coz someone else has quoted them and by the time I've finish the second sentence of the quote, I usually realise who's posted it, then check who was quoted, giggle and ignore the rest of the post. See, some of us ignore the source to start with and deal with the information without bias

Japan would be the most likely place to go automated first outside the factory as its got an aging population and probably very low immigration.

I went to seminar on " Man and Machine" and while it all sounded like it was going to happen in the next 5 to 10 years I think NZ will be behind due to funding.


As I only ever spring 10 K max for a car that is usually several years old could be some time before I buy electric as have never or ever intend to buy a new car.

[oldrider]

Mankind invented religion and its kept a lot of people in jobs, power, misery, concentration camps, mass graves etc.

Kept people in line " you'll go to Hell".

Looks to have been largely replaced by Smart Phone worship and Game of Thrones.

Or constant threat of WW3?

Fear is the strongest controlling weapon (paranoid dysfunctional fear is possibly the ultimate) against mankind.

Usually learned at school - telling teacher - my dads the policeman etc etc until finally they found GOD - you must fear GOD! - "Really"? - FFS!

The adage: The only thing to fear about fear is fear it's self", springs to mind. If it hasn't happened yet - It may never happen so best remain optimistic to the end!

Optimism: The guy falling past the sixteenth floor window shouting out - "It's all right, I'm OK so far!"

[sidecar bob]

I wouldn't worry too much.

Society's heading towards an Autie Apocalypse anyway.

They said in 400ad
Heres the list, you could get your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alyptic_events

[Voltaire]

They said in 400ad
Heres the list, you could get your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alyptic_events

I love the smell of Apocalypse's in the morning.

[TheDemonLord]

They said in 400ad
Heres the list, you could get your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alyptic_events

hehe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon

The day I got married

[mashman]

They said in 400ad
Heres the list, you could get your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alyptic_events

I guess ya'll think that civilisation collapse isn't all that apocalyptic. As much as it'd be fun to see the big splosions, I'd rather avoid it and have a crack at bucking the trend. Those that have collapsed have 1 primary thing in common. They had a medium of exchange. Oh so ironic in so many ways.

[bogan]

I guess ya'll think that civilisation collapse isn't all that apocalyptic. As much as it'd be fun to see the big splosions, I'd rather avoid it and have a crack at bucking the trend. Those that have collapsed have 1 primary thing in common. They had a medium of exchange. Oh so ironic in so many ways.

Actually the one thing in common was people, many civilizations collapsed without a medium of exchange...

None of them had sweet robots or self driving cars either.