Stupid World

**mashman** · 11th August 2013, 22:41

Aye... them lesser human beings need to know their place. Property of the US.

**avgas** · 11th August 2013, 22:58

Originally Posted by mashman

Shame they never extended the intro topic... amongst other things.

Shame he started nattering like a madman, he started off good.

If you want a good book as to how an establishment got it wrong. Read "Chaos - James Gleck".
FYI this is still not taught in schools, but it clearly shows the answers to experiments which have "erroneous data" consistently.

This data is not noise. This data is a science that some people don't understand. But because it broke traditional forms of science, and at the time the computers couldn't give us the answers - these scientists/mathematicians were which blocked.

**mashman** · 11th August 2013, 23:06

Originally Posted by avgas

Shame he started nattering like a madman, he started off good.

If you want a good book as to how an establishment got it wrong. Read "Chaos - James Gleck".
FYI this is still not taught in schools, but it clearly shows the answers to experiments which have "erroneous data" consistently.

This data is not noise. This data is a science that some people don't understand. But because it broke traditional forms of science, and at the time the computers couldn't give us the answers - these scientists/mathematicians were which blocked.

He makes perfect sense to me. I must speak madman... cool, will update CV.

I know they have it wrong. I know how to put it right. There is no doubt that smart men, and women, are ignored by the establishment coz it would mean that the plan was wrong, or at minimum needed to be drafted again... and them plan makers ain't up for being told what to do by scientists or mathematicians. And I'm too much of a slow reader to read books.

**blue rider** · 12th August 2013, 22:42

water. really who needs it

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...e-oil-no-water

**Brian d marge** · 13th August 2013, 01:06

Originally Posted by blue rider

water. really who needs it

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...e-oil-no-water

snip
So what is a town like Barnhart to do? Fracking is a powerful drain on water supplies.

thats about the size of it

EVERYONE needs to conserve water

Cotton , uses a hell of a lot so do people! Watering the lawns! , wrong type of lawn , you can have a no water lawn in the desert ,,,, !

As for agriculture , when I look at a grass field all I see is 1/7 under utilized field , I cant see why for example a sheep farmer cant have sheep and say olives or other crops on the same field , or trees that ...wait for it ,,,,,, hold water

cant think of the species right now but I know there is

Stephen

**mashman** · 13th August 2013, 07:49

"If you're going to develop the oil, you've got to have the water," said Larry Baxter, a contractor from the nearby town of Mertzon, who installed two frack tanks on his land earlier this year, hoping to make a business out of his well selling water to oil industry.

By his own estimate, his well could produce enough to fill up 20 or 30 water trucks for the oil industry each day. At $60 (£39.58) a truck, that was $36,000 a month, easily. "I could sell 100 truckloads a day if I was open to it," Baxter said."

Bottom line. Fuck the people living in Barnhart, business it business. Getting access to water is their problem.

**blue rider** · 13th August 2013, 11:15

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

snip
So what is a town like Barnhart to do? Fracking is a powerful drain on water supplies.

thats about the size of it

EVERYONE needs to conserve water

Cotton , uses a hell of a lot so do people! Watering the lawns! , wrong type of lawn , you can have a no water lawn in the desert ,,,, !

As for agriculture , when I look at a grass field all I see is 1/7 under utilized field , I cant see why for example a sheep farmer cant have sheep and say olives or other crops on the same field , or trees that ...wait for it ,,,,,, hold water

cant think of the species right now but I know there is

Stephen

i hightlighted the answers to your question

and for the record, I hate golf lawns just hate them.

but we really need to get a grip as to how business is done and how it affects the environment. there is money to be made in sustainability, it just is still in the too hard basket. So screw everyone, i has mine, and yours too.

but yeah...who needs water.

**blue rider** · 13th August 2013, 11:16

Originally Posted by mashman

"If you're going to develop the oil, you've got to have the water," said Larry Baxter, a contractor from the nearby town of Mertzon, who installed two frack tanks on his land earlier this year, hoping to make a business out of his well selling water to oil industry.

By his own estimate, his well could produce enough to fill up 20 or 30 water trucks for the oil industry each day. At $60 (£39.58) a truck, that was $36,000 a month, easily. "I could sell 100 truckloads a day if I was open to it," Baxter said."

Bottom line. Fuck the people living in Barnhart, business it business. Getting access to water is their problem.

he lives there too, he just hopes that by the time the city runs out of potable water, he has made enough gold coins to bugger of to greener pastures.

**mashman** · 13th August 2013, 11:28

Originally Posted by blue rider

he lives there too, he just hopes that by the time the city runs out of potable water, he has made enough gold coins to bugger of to greener pastures.

He lives nearby... even still, he's "importing" water, so he has water to drink etc... and then as you say screw everyone else.

There is no money in sustainability... else they'd be doing it shirley?

**blue rider** · 13th August 2013, 12:00

Originally Posted by mashman

He lives nearby... even still, he's "importing" water, so he has water to drink etc... and then as you say screw everyone else.

There is no money in sustainability... else they'd be doing it shirley?

too hard basket....

too many regulations
too much investment
too much new stuff to learn

nearby, ....like in Drury is nearby Auckland?
Petone is nearby Wellington?

**avgas** · 13th August 2013, 12:08

I always liked the argument of fracking. It is not easy to do. It uses lots of resources. It destroys the land. It should be inefficient - but it's not.
Turns out the price of oil isn't low enough to stop it.

Could be an argument for anything people buy really.

If you buy it, and you pay the price on the sign. You're paying for the idea really. Doesn't matter if there is a greedy scapegoat. You're still buying from him.
Am I the only one who realises they are on the end of a shovel?

Or prove me wrong - prove to me that you have not purchased oil recently.
Bad people are everywhere. It is up to you to help them.

**Scuba_Steve** · 13th August 2013, 12:16

Originally Posted by avgas

I always liked the argument of fracking. It is not easy to do. It uses lots of resources. It destroys the land. It should be inefficient - but it's not.
Turns out the price of oil isn't low enough to stop it.

Could be an argument for anything people buy really.

If you buy it, and you pay the price on the sign. You're paying for the idea really. Doesn't matter if there is a greedy scapegoat. You're still buying from him.
Am I the only one who realises they are on the end of a shovel?

Or prove me wrong - prove to me that you have not purchased oil recently.
Bad people are everywhere. It is up to you to help them.

But to play the Devil here

Oil is almost impossible not to buy in 1 form or another, it's become a necessity of modern (& even not so modern) living.

**blue rider** · 13th August 2013, 12:25

Originally Posted by avgas

I always liked the argument of fracking. It is not easy to do. It uses lots of resources. It destroys the land. It should be inefficient - but it's not.
Turns out the price of oil isn't low enough to stop it.

Could be an argument for anything people buy really.

If you buy it, and you pay the price on the sign. You're paying for the idea really. Doesn't matter if there is a greedy scapegoat. You're still buying from him.
Am I the only one who realises they are on the end of a shovel?

Or prove me wrong - prove to me that you have not purchased oil recently.
Bad people are everywhere. It is up to you to help them.

point taken, I have purchased gasoline today.

however, we are going to have a problem if and when we do overuse "potable" water for extraction of oil to the extend where whole stretches of land are being dried out. This also applies to industrial farming (dairy country anyone?)

Personally I would like to see the same investment that currently is being made to continue our forced addiction to fossil fuels, is being made to create other sources of energy and the wide scale distribution of it.

My bike does not need to run on gasoline, it could very well be electric, and suncell/wind mills/waterturbines/tide energy etc etc could supply the needed juice. But I do not see the investment, nor many governments incentives for industry to switch over and demand the change. Because honestly the demand needs to come from industries as they are the largest players in the room. The world government have for the last 30 - 40 years steadfastly refused to listen to their citizenry that I doubt they will start now.

this man, when he spoke about it, he was ridiculed and mocked for his sweater.
but his speach still rings true

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexpe...carter-energy/

**mashman** · 13th August 2013, 12:28

Originally Posted by blue rider

too hard basket....

too many regulations
too much investment
too much new stuff to learn

nearby, ....like in Drury is nearby Auckland?
Petone is nearby Wellington?

All of them, yup... remember though, Spain decided to "privatise" the sun. There is no money in sustainability. The wider economic impact (jobs primarily) of cutting down on fossil fuels for power generation is huge and I don't see how that can be replaced with sustainabilty.

Probably different water sources though and in that respect, they may as well be on opposite sides of the planet.