Stupid World

[blue rider]

Idle no more

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...els-Photos-Vid

[avgas]

Personally I would like to see the same investment that currently is being made to continue our forced addiction to fossil fuels, is being made to create other sources of energy and the wide scale distribution of it.

Fair enough - here you go http://www.trademe.co.nz/business-fa...-624884176.htm
https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/
Don't let us hold you back.

Fact is, I know what the problem is, and I am too much of a hypocrite to change what I do. However I am honest enough to know when I am being slack, and just admit it.
Why haven't I bought an electric motorbike?
Why is my house not a power generator but a consumer?
Why do I buy compost from bunnings????????

Because I am a lazy consumer, who should get my a-into-g.

But if I were to change the world. I would first start with me.
If you can't change yourself why should the world listen to you?

[mashman]

Fair enough - here you go http://www.trademe.co.nz/business-fa...-624884176.htm
https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/
Don't let us hold you back.

Fact is, I know what the problem is, and I am too much of a hypocrite to change what I do. However I am honest enough to know when I am being slack, and just admit it.
Why haven't I bought an electric motorbike?
Why is my house not a power generator but a consumer?
Why do I buy compost from bunnings????????

Because I am a lazy consumer, who should get my a-into-g.

But if I were to change the world. I would first start with me.
If you can't change yourself why should the world listen to you?

And if someone came to your place and fitted the solar bit n pieces and converted your bike for you for free, would you have become less lazy or have changed yourself?

[Brian d marge]

Fair enough - here you go http://www.trademe.co.nz/business-fa...-624884176.htm
https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/
Don't let us hold you back.

Fact is, I know what the problem is, and I am too much of a hypocrite to change what I do. However I am honest enough to know when I am being slack, and just admit it.
Why haven't I bought an electric motorbike?
Why is my house not a power generator but a consumer?
Why do I buy compost from bunnings????????

Because I am a lazy consumer, who should get my a-into-g.

But if I were to change the world. I would first start with me.
If you can't change yourself why should the world listen to you?

Me too
You cant change the world and if you try you will just get depressed, BUT you can do ONE thing at a time , try for a Zero waste house ( Im trying but the wife just doesnt grasp the concept , then complains about the rubbish???)
Use a bicycle as mush as possible
try growing things ,
My vege garden is a mass of weeds, but the sunflowers and chilli and beans are ok
Its a change in the way you do things and as long as you realise WHAT needs to be changed thats half the battle IMHO
Many people are simply unaware of the thing they NEED to change
Some think they know; ( here I label the tree huggers , whose intentions are good but fail to realise that there is a bigger player in the park ,)
Hold the fks to account , Indonesian peasant have more get up and go sometimes..
I have an trial Aquaponics..., a trial garden ( I learn by making mistakes ,,,just by trying ) , me homebrew and have had an alternative energy house ( the old mans house ,,he went full retard ,,,)
The biggest problem I have is vegetables over the winter period , spinach goes well ,,, tatties are sleeping well but I have 3 months where things are sparse !...)

Look , I think there IS money in sustainability. I remember once an Australian trial , where the cotton farmer challenged some hippies. He grew cotton the modern way , they grew it organically. He won.

I think this was the wrong approach. The hippies went head to head using a monoculture , should have had at least 5 or more other crops on the same ground , ( think vertically, and aquaponics )

As for Lawns , there is a way to have a nice lawn using no, or very little water. Using a sphagnum mix under the lawn ( from memory !)

So while atm is not so good , As long as we have means of promoting "free thought" ie the internet and people realising the flat screen tv doesnt bring happiness and that nice Mr Key doesnt give a shit about "Joe plumber" ,,then the future can only get better

Stephen

[avgas]

And if someone came to your place and fitted the solar bit n pieces and converted your bike for you for free, would you have become less lazy or have changed yourself?

I always put on clean pants for visitors.

[avgas]

"free thought"

I have plenty of that. Costs me nothing.
Usually reaps the same reward thought.

I put down all my problems not down to what I can think - but what I actually do.
Turns out a majority of the time I do fuck all, except complain about it.

Though I did rescue some fancy Argentina pine from my fireheap and used it for the storage floor under my house. But then I got into my 2.5L car and shot 2km down the road to bunnings to get some screws to hold it together. So I am still going to greenie hell.

[mashman]

I always put on clean pants for visitors.

But not in case you're involved in an accident? Your mother would be disappointed... and I'll voice that concern the next time I'm cleaning her curtains with my penis.

[blue rider]

Fair enough - here you go http://www.trademe.co.nz/business-fa...-624884176.htm
https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/
Don't let us hold you back.

Fact is, I know what the problem is, and I am too much of a hypocrite to change what I do. However I am honest enough to know when I am being slack, and just admit it.
Why haven't I bought an electric motorbike?
Why is my house not a power generator but a consumer?
Why do I buy compost from bunnings????????

Because I am a lazy consumer, who should get my a-into-g.

But if I were to change the world. I would first start with me.
If you can't change yourself why should the world listen to you?

I always put on clean pants for visitors.

I don't dispute that fact that to an extend it needs to come from us. And in many ways it does. However, Industry has its place due to the large scale which we as individuals can not produce.

I used to never own a vehicle in Europe as safe bicycling was easy due to special lanes, and easy public transport was provided, busses, trams, trains etc.
The first ten years in NZ I used to live and work down town and I would walk everywhere. (yes walking was faster than the bus). Now I have moved out of town (well west auckland ....Lol) and I own a bike, but no car. A bike is a bit more environmentally friendly than a car. And as much as I love cycling, its not an option in NZ as it is simply to dangerous.

I buy where ever I can NZ made, not only will this hopefully keep the one or the other job in NZ but also it will reduce the environmental footprint a little. Again, this is not much but then I am just one person.

I grow some veggies, I compost and I recycle. I like to buy without packaging so alot is bulk, again where possible. I support my local farmer markets like the good DFH that I am.

I also always wear pants when I have visitors, but I do not expect them to install solarcells for free.

I do however believe that the NZ government could invest in solarcells (there is a lot of sun here) and windmills (also quite windy) do help generate our electricity needs, or at the least support Businesses that want to invest in this type of energy. What is so wrong about that? What is wrong about incentives to get Landlords and Houseowners building new to use double glazing instead of the thin sheet of glass that is used here for windows? What is wrong about a Government that uses a Carrot and Stick approach to foster and yes kindly force new technology that will in the end safe / or at least preserve the environment that we still have?

There is nothing hypocritical about admitting that one uses the system in place, however it is becoming criminal to not ask better from those that are supposed to advance the country and create a better future.

Or else, lets by cynical, fuck the future generation and use everything up till nothing is left over? sorry kiddo, I had mine and yours too because it was more convenient and cheaper and I could not be bothered?

[puddytat]

Well here is something we all wish we could do to do "our" part.......
And here is what they want to do about it.......cant have them not making money eh bro

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nels-far-right

[mashman]

What is wrong about a Government that uses a Carrot and Stick approach to foster and yes kindly force new technology that will in the end safe / or at least preserve the environment that we still have?

Because of shit like this... broken record time, it's all about the money money money, we just want yer money money money, we don't wanna make the world dance, we're all about the price tag No Money = Instant adoption of New Technology... after all, why else do we produce power if not for people to use? fucking shame that we have to charge people for it, nay, rip us off for the use of what was free. I wanna know why we haven't got any tech that recycles fucked stuff back to it's constituent elements. Now that would be expensive.

[Brian d marge]

I have plenty of that. Costs me nothing.
Usually reaps the same reward thought.

I put down all my problems not down to what I can think - but what I actually do.
Turns out a majority of the time I do fuck all, except complain about it.

Though I did rescue some fancy Argentina pine from my fireheap and used it for the storage floor under my house. But then I got into my 2.5L car and shot 2km down the road to bunnings to get some screws to hold it together. So I am still going to greenie hell.

I do stuff , important stuff. it fills my day , people tell me its important , so it must be ,,,,,, we need some BTO....