Stupid World

[mashman]

You want stupid? This is epically stupid. How middle class bourgeois wankers in the west have killed 20 million asian kids over the last decade and simply don't give a shit!

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinio...cle3830725.ece

I assume this is the same story? (the times article requiring subscription).

There's no trust. Some GMO may be bad, some may be good and unfortunately we're never going to know which is which without human trials over largish periods of time. I agree with you as it looks like Greenpeace is shooting itself in the foot and allowing kids to die because of its ideology... but it is all about the trust eh.

The issue I have with GMO is with the chemical/insect resistant foods. We have no real idea about the impact of loosing such tech on the environment on the scale that's currently being undertaken. Could it be that if the insects die that other (potentialy harmful) bacteria will flourish? There's a system that's been in place for billions of years that has supported us well and, imho, it's the commercialisation of farming that's stopping us from providing a more symbiotic approach to our environment and how we use it.

[carbonhed]

I assume this is the same story? (the times article requiring subscription).

It is indeed. Thanks for that. Didn't realise.

The system in place for billions of years gave us pestilence, famine and an average lifespan of 35 years. Going back to anything like that will kill billions. Not that that would trouble the Greens...

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...h-treachery-gm

[mashman]

It is indeed. Thanks for that. Didn't realise.

The system in place for billions of years gave us pestilence, famine and an average lifespan of 35 years. Going back to anything like that will kill billions. Not that that would trouble the Greens...

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...h-treachery-gm

It was on the fooked page but looked interesting.

The natural system or the one humans created with ownership of land and land usage rights? It could well kill billions, but then again, do we really know what we're unleashing by killing off eco-systems? Or is it a case of, who cares, we'll deal with that when it comes? No doubt there's a half-way house there somewhere, no doubt some of the tech that the Monsanto's of the world have could be useful, but whilst the underlying driver is money and not food, and whilst the Monsanto's of the world are receiving get out of jail free cards and refusing to allow seed to be kept etc... then there will be those, including me to an extent, that will remain skeptical irrespective of how good the science may turn out to be.

Why aren't people allowed to be both anti-GMO and pro-GMO on a product by product basis? It only ever seems to be one or the other.

OMG someone on the internet changed their mind

[mashman]

Man denied life-saving surgery over 26-cent insurance dispute... fuck that's expensive treatment.

[avgas]

I agree with you as it looks like Greenpeace is shooting itself in the foot and allowing kids to die because of its ideology.

I am sure that Greenpeace will look after kids when they become endangered.

[MisterD]

Rodeo clowns asked to take 'sensitivity training'...only in 'merica.

[mashman]

Rodeo clowns asked to take 'sensitivity training'...only in 'merica.

So a clown masked as Obama racially charged a crowd who in turn incited an animal to charge at the clown who's job description it is to attract the animal. Sounds like bull to me.

[MisterD]

So a clown masked as Obama racially charged a crowd who in turn incited an animal to charge at the clown who's job description it is to attract the animal. Sounds like bull to me.

It obviously must be racist, it can't just be taking the piss out of an authority figure...I mean I know that Obama's supreme acheivement is looking more like his Dad than his Mum but...

[mashman]

It obviously must be racist, it can't just be taking the piss out of an authority figure...I mean I know that Obama's supreme acheivement is looking more like his Dad than his Mum but...

it was enough to bring down the President, of the Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association, and there's no smoke without fire. However we never did find out if the clown was white or black.... which would have changed things substantially.

[blue rider]

It obviously must be racist, it can't just be taking the piss out of an authority figure...I mean I know that Obama's supreme acheivement is looking more like his Dad than his Mum but...

i don't think it would be healthy in the states to take the piss out of a president (well with the incumbent, if in the south or redneck country it might be different, with him being a kenya born socialist muslim).

the army ok, the police sure why not, blonds, and beer drinking college boys absolutly, but I don't think I have ever seen a movie where a president of the us had been made fun of.

in europe thats slightly different, but not in the states.

[carbonhed]

whilst the Monsanto's of the world are receiving get out of jail free cards and refusing to allow seed to be kept etc... then there will be those, including me to an extent, that will remain skeptical irrespective of how good the science may turn out to be.

Why aren't people allowed to be both anti-GMO and pro-GMO on a product by product basis? It only ever seems to be one or the other.

OMG someone on the internet changed their mind

You're not allowed to pick and choose your GMO crops because the Greens are a religious cult and the dogma must not be challenged.

On the saving not saving of seeds... wouldn't work with hybrids for a start, which is pretty much all maize. Rice and wheat I suppose you could but it's a laborious task to maintain and improve your own line. I suppose most subsistence farmers do it but fuck it if you can afford to buy it once why wouldn't you want the advantages every year? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it.

[MisterD]

the army ok, the police sure why not, blonds, and beer drinking college boys absolutly, but I don't think I have ever seen a movie where a president of the us had been made fun of.

Did the endless ridicule of "Dubya" wait until he left office? Seems like massive doublestandards at play to me...

[blue rider]

I assume this is the same story? (the times article requiring subscription).

There's no trust. Some GMO may be bad, some may be good and unfortunately we're never going to know which is which without human trials over largish periods of time. I agree with you as it looks like Greenpeace is shooting itself in the foot and allowing kids to die because of its ideology... but it is all about the trust eh.

The issue I have with GMO is with the chemical/insect resistant foods. We have no real idea about the impact of loosing such tech on the environment on the scale that's currently being undertaken. Could it be that if the insects die that other (potentialy harmful) bacteria will flourish? There's a system that's been in place for billions of years that has supported us well and, imho, it's the commercialisation of farming that's stopping us from providing a more symbiotic approach to our environment and how we use it.

the issue with Montsano is its aggressive behaviour against farmers that do NOT use their products but have fallen "vicitim" to cross contamination.

the issue with Montsano and GMO Crops is that an organic farmer has to jump through more loops for a "organic" certification than a lion in a circus, however most GMO Crops/Food does not need to be labelled.

the issue with GMO is simply that what tests are there are not made available and thus peeps don't know what they buy.

last the issue with the seed saving

http://www.grain.org/article/entries...ural-apartheid - old article

http://www.monsanto.com/food-inc/Pag...ctivities.aspx - also quite old

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9590ZD20130610 from June 2013
http://goodfoodweb.net/justice-begin...jim-gerritsen/ from August 2013
http://www.patentdocs.org/2013/07/or...-cir-2013.html July 2013

really at the crux this is something we do not want to loose, the right to buy seeds, and or harvest/safe our own seeds.

If my tomato plant is growing well and I would like to keep the seeds to next year, I should have the right to do so, after all I have bought the plant. Well maybe yes, maybe no.

There are many issues with GMO foods, are they healthy, are they really going to feed the world (what about the plant diversity that is going lost etc), what are the long term implications etc etc, but the Seed issues is at the forefront.
Farmers and Garderners worldwide have safed seeds, since the dawn of time. Well Montsano and Syngenta would like for us to pay for seeds, every year.


from last year, but I do like the visuals
http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsant...ngress/5336422

[blue rider]

Did the endless ridicule of "Dubya" wait until he left office? Seems like massive doublestandards at play to me...

oh there are as much caricatures out of Dubya as they are of Obama,
the difference really between Dubya and Obama is that one was ridiculed for supposed lack of intelligence (and no one can say that Dubya presented himself as the smart kid on the block) and one is being ridiculed for colour of skin/ethnicity. But most of these images come from individuals, made up for elections/demonstrations etc.


I am sure that I have never heard of a rodeo clown being painted up as Dubya with the onlookers wanting to have the bull run over the clown, and enthusiastically cheering for this to happen.

Ahhh bread and circuses for those that still can pay a dime at the entrance door.

[MisterD]

I am sure that I have never heard of a rodeo clown being painted up as Dubya with the onlookers wanting to have the bull run over the clown, and enthusiastically cheering for this to happen.

Did you read to the end of the article, where they talk about just such a previous occurence?