Stupid World

[mashman]

I am sure that Greenpeace will look after kids when they become endangered.

Maybe that's what they're trying to engineer.

You're not allowed to pick and choose your GMO crops because the Greens are a religious cult and the dogma must not be challenged.

On the saving not saving of seeds... wouldn't work with hybrids for a start, which is pretty much all maize. Rice and wheat I suppose you could but it's a laborious task to maintain and improve your own line. I suppose most subsistence farmers do it but fuck it if you can afford to buy it once why wouldn't you want the advantages every year? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it.

heh... you could easily replace Greenpeace with Monsanto there. 'Orrible choice. Lose potentially great tech. Have everything enforced upon us that the other has to offer coz if one is good, so should the others.

I dunno about not forcing anyone to buy it as there seem to be a good few cases against Monsanto and their practices cropping, heh, up in the states at the moment.

[carbonhed]

the issue with Montsano is its aggressive behaviour against farmers that do NOT use their products but have fallen "vicitim" to cross contamination.

the issue with Montsano and GMO Crops is that an organic farmer has to jump through more loops for a "organic" certification than a lion in a circus, however most GMO Crops/Food does not need to be labelled.

the issue with GMO is simply that what tests are there are not made available and thus peeps don't know what they buy.

last the issue with the seed saving

http://www.grain.org/article/entries...ural-apartheid - old article

http://www.monsanto.com/food-inc/Pag...ctivities.aspx - also quite old

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9590ZD20130610 from June 2013
http://goodfoodweb.net/justice-begin...jim-gerritsen/ from August 2013
http://www.patentdocs.org/2013/07/or...-cir-2013.html July 2013

really at the crux this is something we do not want to loose, the right to buy seeds, and or harvest/safe our own seeds.

If my tomato plant is growing well and I would like to keep the seeds to next year, I should have the right to do so, after all I have bought the plant. Well maybe yes, maybe no.

There are many issues with GMO foods, are they healthy, are they really going to feed the world (what about the plant diversity that is going lost etc), what are the long term implications etc etc, but the Seed issues is at the forefront.
Farmers and Garderners worldwide have safed seeds, since the dawn of time. Well Montsano and Syngenta would like for us to pay for seeds, every year.


from last year, but I do like the visuals
http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsant...ngress/5336422

So that's had a happy resolution where both parties have their rights protected?

"It has never been, nor will it be Monsanto policy to exercise its patent rights where trace amounts of our patented seeds or traits are present in farmer's fields as a result of inadvertent means.

Moreover, Monsanto's attorneys by letter further expanded on the company's absence of any intent to sue plaintiffs:

Monsanto is unaware of any circumstances that would give rise to any claim for patent infringement or any lawsuit against your clients. Monsanto therefore does not assert and has no intention of asserting patent-infringement claims against your clients. You represent that "none of your clients intend to possess, use or sell any transgenic seed, including any transgenic seed potentially covered by Monsanto's patents." Taking your representation as true, any fear of suit or other action is unreasonable, and any decision not to grow certain crops unjustified."

If you want to save your tomato seeds for next year don't buy Monsanto's patented seed lines. Pick the open pollinated variety of your choice and voila.

I'm not allowed to propagate lots of different types of plants that have patents on them... to do so would be to cheat other people out of their hard work.

I'm not surprised organic farmers have to prove their bona fides... if not there'd be all kinds of cheats making bogus claims.

[mashman]

Egypt Morsi Camps: '250 Die' As Police Move In... does anyone remember why this started?

[puddytat]

'Twas the price of bread....

[mashman]

'Twas the price of bread....

Again... I thought they wanted democracy

[Ocean1]

... does anyone remember why this started?

Yes.

Too many different tribal cultures living in the same place.



Now, do you belong here or not?

[mashman]

Yes.

Too many different tribal cultures living in the same place.

Now, do you belong here or not?

Little under the desk foot boogey there...

However I shalt call bullshit on the cultures living in the same place being the why. It's certainly an excuse, but as they aren't always at each others throats that can't be the why.

I belong here. You don't.

[Ocean1]

does anyone remember why this started?

Ding ding...

I belong here. You don't.

Hey, I don't nee no stinken help to make my point from the likes of you!

Just call me Pavlov.

[avgas]

Maybe that's what they're trying to engineer.



heh... you could easily replace Greenpeace with Monsanto there. 'Orrible choice. Lose potentially great tech. Have everything enforced upon us that the other has to offer coz if one is good, so should the others.

I dunno about not forcing anyone to buy it as there seem to be a good few cases against Monsanto and their practices cropping, heh, up in the states at the moment.

They have to do something - they are making more money but losing more assets
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/Global...0-%20Audit.pdf


I wish I could remember what Greenpeace was like when hippies ran it.

[mashman]

Hey, I don't nee no stinken help to make my point from the likes of you!

Just call me Pavlov.

You had a point? nothing a like a little narcissism to keep yourself amused eh.

[mashman]

They have to do something - they are making more money but losing more assets
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/Global...0-%20Audit.pdf


I wish I could remember what Greenpeace was like when hippies ran it.

I guess sinking the odd boat will swing yer balance sheet in that direction.

[Ocean1]

I wish I could remember what Greenpeace was like when hippies ran it.

Not much different. Except for the 36" flares.

I did a bit of work on the first Rainbow Warrior the first time she was here. The whole thing was a fucking mess.

The chicks were hotter, then.

[Brian d marge]

TIN HATS ...

Please dont click unless you ARE wearing tins hats , , Alumi foil works well



Tis the REAL reason(s)

Stephen

and its from youtube and looks dead professional like , so it must be true

[gwigs]

TIN HATS ...

Please dont click unless you ARE wearing tins hats , , Alumi foil works well



Tis the REAL reason(s)

Stephen

and its from youtube and looks dead professional like , so it must be true

I watched it without a tin hat , now I,m worried that the Aliens might Know that I now Know about them..

Interesting though and hey it could true..Alex Jones (http://planet.infowars.com/) proposes similar veiws

[avgas]

Found this doozy of an article - but I thought I better put a good quote from it here. Basically shows that in some situations we complain about stuff we could have fixed outselves (or at least minimised and mitigated).

"No One Is Going to Fix YouIf you are waiting for a knight in shining armor to gallop into your life and heal your broken heart, you will be waiting forever. The only person who can help you is yourself."