Stupid World

[oldrider]

Dams are dams walls are walls if you can't figure out the difference maybe you should consider how they are different and the design considerations required.

FFS - unreal.

[TheDemonLord]

And whether you like it or not, a parent asking "but what if my child is one of the ones who dies or suffers a lifetime debilitating injury" is a perfectly valid concern - that if you were truly a supporter of free speech, you would readily admit.

It's almost like I've repeatedly addressed this...

some people will have adverse reactions - if you were serious about the Libertarian PoV, you'd argue as to how to mitigate the chance of an adverse reaction - I'd be more than happy to see a pre-vaccination check to see if there were any undiscovered auto-immune disorders or any unknown allergies.

And bonus point: When you become a Parent, then you can tell me what a Parent will think/Ask.

[FJRider]

Theres nothing wrong with a parent asking about vaccine risks .

True ... but if you can only quote the odd's of "Their" child being one of those that could be at risk ... I'm sure you quoting the odds would reassure them ...

[TheDemonLord]

Which is all a gish gallop away from me explaining why Gillette had the right to make the advertisement, you questioned their rights and mandate to do so; thus it is you who needs to uphold the rights of free speech, not I.

Have I called for the Ad to be Censured? No? Try again. That's the difference. I'm simply stating - you want to use Free Speech as a Defence, then hold to the principles of Free Speech.

The false equivalence is that you want to portray all feminists as agreeing with the Gillette add, and all people who are not feminists, disagreeing with it. Try to remember what we are talking about, rather than gish galloping everything down you to-do-list rabbit holes eh!

Directed by a Feminist, presenting the Feminist view of Toxic Masculinity (which is a Feminist concept), Praised by Feminists, supported by Feminist websites and Media.

Any more reality you'd like to deny?

Don't be absurd, valid views can be rejected when the subject matter is clearly subjective.

Not when Validity is based upon group consensus.

Any planet. Many businesses run on a knife edge, losing 15% of a customer base is a rejection by a minority which could easily cause a business to become non-profitable.

Except it's not a 15% drop in Income is it? Hollywood indicates that to break even, most Movies need to make double their production budget (this covers the cost of Advertising etc.) - If any of the examples cited where a 15% drop, I might be a little less harsh, but considering in some cases they made less than 30-40% of what they expected to make - that's not a Minority, that's the Majority.

Some bullshit you're always ready to find a way to cop out of. Just like the last time we debated, I pointed out a clear contradiction in statements you made, you denied it then fucked off. You've shown you're not worth my time trying to meander through your blatant lies about what you have or haven't said/meant, either offer some simple clarification, or don't and continue to be judged by your previous words and intent. Just like how you've said I have called for censuring, then cite my happiness that somebody was censured as evidence of that; stop being such a fucking moron, and stop changing what you say you meant based on how wrong you find yourself to be.

You asked me for a direct Quotation, I provided 2.
I ask you for a direct Quotation and we get a whole load of Ad Hominem Waffle, without a single thing quoted from myself.

So you'll be retracting the innaccurate statements? Or will you simply keep lying through your teeth to avoid conceding the point?



I'm just kidding - we both know you'll keep lying.

Twitter censorship does not violate free speech rights, it has terms and conditions which are signed upon joining. Alex Jones is free to speak somewhere else. You have a strange idea of what free speech is, I'm not a hypocrite because I disagree with that, the courts disagree with it too remember.

Twitter is a public facing, and parts of Twitter were deemed to be a Public Space that needed 1st amendment protections.
Alex Jones went elsewhere, those alternative providers then had their Services terminated by their hosting and payment providers.

Again - You want to use Free Speech as an argument - I'm simply holding you to account: You can't claim free speech for something you agree with, then celebrate the censuring of someone you don't. That makes you a Hypocrite.

[FJRider]

Dams are dams walls are walls

Is English your second language ... ?? Some walls are even fences ... your point is .. ?? (punctuation marks help people understand what you post - sometimes)

if you can't figure out the difference maybe you should consider how they are different and the design considerations required.

I've built fences, walls, AND Dams. Some dams lower than some walls. Some dams even lower than some fences.

[eldog]

They are a wall of concrete. And you specifically said wall ... not a fence Don't you read what you post ??). Tell that to "Donald" ... HE is trying to stop the flow ... He needs a dam not a fence OR a wall ...

Beavers build dams, with wood
imagine what they could build if they used concrete.
come to think of it most fences are built with wood or concrete or a bit of both.

I have built retaining walls, which act like dams even though from one side it acted like a fence.

most fences around prisons look more like walls. Or do the walls look like fences.
let us know what you decide.

big D needs a diversion, it doesn’t matter if they build it.
its only the idea that’s important. The idea won votes.

time to fill up the bike ready for a ride.

[Graystone]

Have I called for the Ad to be Censured? No? Try again. That's the difference. I'm simply stating - you want to use Free Speech as a Defence, then hold to the principles of Free Speech.



Directed by a Feminist, presenting the Feminist view of Toxic Masculinity (which is a Feminist concept), Praised by Feminists, supported by Feminist websites and Media.

Any more reality you'd like to deny?



Not when Validity is based upon group consensus.



Except it's not a 15% drop in Income is it? Hollywood indicates that to break even, most Movies need to make double their production budget (this covers the cost of Advertising etc.) - If any of the examples cited where a 15% drop, I might be a little less harsh, but considering in some cases they made less than 30-40% of what they expected to make - that's not a Minority, that's the Majority.



You asked me for a direct Quotation, I provided 2.
I ask you for a direct Quotation and we get a whole load of Ad Hominem Waffle, without a single thing quoted from myself.

So you'll be retracting the innaccurate statements? Or will you simply keep lying through your teeth to avoid conceding the point?



I'm just kidding - we both know you'll keep lying.



Twitter is a public facing, and parts of Twitter were deemed to be a Public Space that needed 1st amendment protections.
Alex Jones went elsewhere, those alternative providers then had their Services terminated by their hosting and payment providers.

Again - You want to use Free Speech as an argument - I'm simply holding you to account: You can't claim free speech for something you agree with, then celebrate the censuring of someone you don't. That makes you a Hypocrite.

A defense for what? Have I called for shit to be censored either?

Which does not mean all feminists as agree with the Gillette add, and all people who are not feminists, disagree with it. That's the false equivalence I pulled you up on.

Validity is not based on group consensus for subjective matters.

Hollywood? Movies? How far are you gish galloping away from the Gillette ad now?

None of your quote supported what you said. You have proven you are not worth worth my time to find direct quotes as you simply lie about them anyway. Start with owning your contradictory claims about Twitter's CEO if you want to prove otherwise...

So Alex Jones went elsewhere to speak, thus maintaining his rights to free speech. Twitter did not violate his right to free speech. Well at least your changed you tune to 'celebrating the censuring' instead of claiming I was 'calling' for it. I guess you are capable of learning something at least, pity your ego gets in the way of you understanding your concept of free speech is the inaccurate and hypocritical one...

[TheDemonLord]

Which does not mean all feminists as agree with the Gillette add, and all people who are not feminists, disagree with it. That's the false equivalence I pulled you up on.

Sure, not all agree with it and not all disagree with it - but that doesn't invalidate the claim that there is a clear Majority along ideological lines. You're just trying to dissociate your ideology from it's demonstrable failings.

Validity is not based on group consensus for subjective matters.

In some settings that maybe true, in others Validity is absolute by way of a Majority consensus.

What the ideal of Masculinity is, is based on the consensus among Men.

Curiously enough - if you look at the Legends across Cultures, especially legends that pre-date contact with other parts of the world - you see the same themes repeated as to what it means to be a Man.

Hollywood? Movies? How far are you gish galloping away from the Gillette ad now?

I'm not - can you show where I've asked you to read a book or pointed you to a Youtube video and simply stated the proof is in there? I've not? More shit you are making up then.

You just don't like the fact it's easy to show the unpopularity of your quasi-marxist ideas.

None of your quote supported what you said. You have proven you are not worth worth my time to find direct quotes as you simply lie about them anyway.

Are you sure? Let's review what I said:

and then stand idly by with glee when the censor turns on a message you don't agree with.

Your two statements definitely show that you were happy about it, and Glee is a synonym for Happiness - so - who is the liar? The person who backs up what they say or the person who specifically refuses to back up what they've set when they've been caught out.

So Alex Jones went elsewhere to speak, thus maintaining his rights to free speech. Twitter did not violate his right to free speech.

You're ignoring the part where the 'elsewhere' was also shut down, ostensibly by the same cabal that censured him in the first place.

Well at least your changed you tune to 'celebrating the censuring' instead of claiming I was 'calling' for it. I guess you are capable of learning something at least, pity your ego gets in the way of you understanding your concept of free speech is the inaccurate and hypocritical one...

Clearly it's you who need to learn - see above as to what I actually said. I'll repeat again, seeing as you appear to be so confused:

and then stand idly by with glee when the censor turns on a message you don't agree with.

[husaberg]

True ... but if you can only quote the odd's of "Their" child being one of those that could be at risk ... I'm sure you quoting the odds would reassure them ...

You ask if English is my second language, but like Katman, you clearly lack comprehension skills.
Doctors quote risk factors for medicals risks to inform parents or patients of risks, its called informed consent.
The risk of death from a Vaccination is 1 in 1 million. Conversely the risk of Death from not receiving a vaccination is 1 in 10000.
Or much far higher in the developing world, by your attitude you are expressing you either lack the deductive reasoning skills to make rational decisions or you suck you at math or have no children.

That aside, as someone who has watched their own child in agony and been told they have developed Stevens-Johnson which has a 1 in 10 chance of dying as a result of the complications of Chicken pox.
What actually makes it far worse, is the knowledge, that if my younger child who gave my older child the chickenpox (despite or best efforts to isolate them), was about to receive their 11 year old vaccination in a few weeks time.
The Vaccination which this time would have resulted in her receiving a Chickenpox vaccination as it was added to the schedule 2 years or so ago, Because my son is 14 he also missed the new schedule but only just.
But feel free to keep going on about vaccines vaccination along with katman, I, myself i will go with real experience and real medical opinions.

ps dont bother to reply, i am not interested.

[Katman]

And bonus point: When you become a Parent, then you can tell me what a Parent will think/Ask.

ps dont bother to reply, i am not interested.

Did you two both go to the same School for Petulant Children?

[husaberg]

The Taupo troll now has its own doll

Anatomically correct even has gerbil bite makes on the ass, so i am told.

[Viking01]

Beavers build dams, with wood
imagine what they could build if they used concrete.
come to think of it most fences are built with wood or concrete or a bit of both.

I have built retaining walls, which act like dams even though from one side it acted like a fence.

most fences around prisons look more like walls. Or do the walls look like fences.
let us know what you decide.

big D needs a diversion, it doesn’t matter if they build it.
its only the idea that’s important. The idea won votes.

time to fill up the bike ready for a ride.

And now it seems you can have a "managed aquifer" as well .....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...-contamination

Trust that you enjoyed your ride.

[Graystone]

Sure, not all agree with it and not all disagree with it - but that doesn't invalidate the claim that there is a clear Majority along ideological lines. You're just trying to dissociate your ideology from it's demonstrable failings.



In some settings that maybe true, in others Validity is absolute by way of a Majority consensus.

What the ideal of Masculinity is, is based on the consensus among Men.

Curiously enough - if you look at the Legends across Cultures, especially legends that pre-date contact with other parts of the world - you see the same themes repeated as to what it means to be a Man.



I'm not - can you show where I've asked you to read a book or pointed you to a Youtube video and simply stated the proof is in there? I've not? More shit you are making up then.

You just don't like the fact it's easy to show the unpopularity of your quasi-marxist ideas.



Are you sure? Let's review what I said:



Your two statements definitely show that you were happy about it, and Glee is a synonym for Happiness - so - who is the liar? The person who backs up what they say or the person who specifically refuses to back up what they've set when they've been caught out.



You're ignoring the part where the 'elsewhere' was also shut down, ostensibly by the same cabal that censured him in the first place.



Clearly it's you who need to learn - see above as to what I actually said. I'll repeat again, seeing as you appear to be so confused:

Not everyone who isn't a feminist shares your idea of what 'the best a man can be' is. You seem to hold the absurd notion that those who do not disagree with you, must by default, agree with you, then claim majority support on that basis; it's utterly moronic.

Your attempt to bait and switch in 'masculinity' instead of 'the best a man can be' is noted once again, but even that remains subjective and not determined by consensus; there has always been different, valid, ideas of what this means.

Gillette Ad, you know, that thing we are talking about? Easy to show how much rejection and a financial disaster the ad was you say? Have you even tried googling it? Reality is a thing you should really try to take notice of!

You said I had called for censorship (in the context of free speech), you have not shown me doing so.

Nope, he still had other elsewheres to go.

You (actually) said I had called for censorship (in the context of free speech), you have not shown me doing so.

[TheDemonLord]

Not everyone who isn't a feminist shares your idea of what 'the best a man can be' is. You seem to hold the absurd notion that those who do not disagree with you, must by default, agree with you, then claim majority support on that basis; it's utterly moronic.

You're saying something about Bait and Switch? I've never claimed everyone who isn't a Feminist shares my ideas. I've simply pointed to a number of things that are hyper-successful that depict a variant of traditional Masculinity, from the overwhelming success of those things - it is a sound conclusion that the Majority supports that depiction. Contrast that with this Gillette ad, it's a sound conclusion that the Majority DOESN'T support it.

When we further take multiple different instances of once profitable IP/Companies swallowing the Kool-Aid, the outcome (which you are ignoring) is clear: Go Woke, Get Broke.

Your attempt to bait and switch in 'masculinity' instead of 'the best a man can be' is noted once again, but even that remains subjective and not determined by consensus; there has always been different, valid, ideas of what this means.

The ideal of Masculinity is the Best a Man can be. It's not a Bait and Switch. Try again.

Whilst there are cultural variations, there are also cultural universals - these ARE determined by Consensus.

Gillette Ad, you know, that thing we are talking about? Easy to show how much rejection and a financial disaster the ad was you say? Have you even tried googling it? Reality is a thing you should really try to take notice of!

Let's look at what I've actually said in relation to the Gillette ad shall we?

And hows that working out for them? Gillette have confirmed that their Ad campaign, despite going viral has generated no extra revenue.

So, you're telling me things I already stated as if it forms something like a 'Gotcha'...

The one interesting thing from the article is when they talk about the lead time between purchases (often several months to a year) - which, will probably result in a slow decline of sales from about the 3 month mark after the Ad was released.

You said I had called for censorship (in the context of free speech), you have not shown me doing so.

Do I need to quote what I actually said again to you? I thought 3 times would be enough for you to understand it, but clearly not. I said you have stood idly by and were happy with Censorship. Your happiness on a subject is the proof I used to show that you support it.

Nope, he still had other elsewheres to go.

Which were then shut down by the same forces that censured him previously - kinda of a relevant point you are omitting.

You (actually) said I had called for censorship (in the context of free speech), you have not shown me doing so.

Is this like your "Can't be a PM cause she's a Woman" Lie? Where you just make up what you want me to have said and ignore the direct quotation I provided?

Is that how much the Cult of Social Justice has warped your grasp on reality?

[TheDemonLord]

Did you two both go to the same School for Petulant Children?

Not at all, it's a simple statement of fact:

Becoming a Parent is such a dramatic, life-altering event that you cannot know how and what you will do without living it.