Stupid World

[jonbuoy]

What about the self made tycoons - are they part of the ruling class conspiracy - or do you think they become part of it as they get richer and more powerful? Mark Zukenburg, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates?

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetwo...-billionaires/

[mashman]

I take it that by "ruling class" you mean those that believe they have the right to decide what to buy with their hard earned and how much to pay for it? And I'm pickin' that by "attitude" you mean disagreeing that those selling shit should dictate what we should pay for it?

In which case I'd say a massive majority of the population are "ruling class" with "attitude".

I've explained to you before how I remunerate my staff. I can't afford employees, but those that work with me from time to time are remunerated well above market rates because we produce superior results and I expect them to perform accordingly.

But, as I've pointed out before, just yesterday in fact, you should feel free to pay whatever the fuck you want for absolutely any service or trinket you buy. That's your right. As it is mine.

Overbearing administration and compliance related costs are pretty much 100% loss. They don't actually produce anything anyone wants, so they're not only not an integral part of any free market they're the complete opposite: a parasitic waste of resources.

Not even close. The "ruling class" aren't just an "attitude", however their attitude is about thing that trickles down from atop their lofty perch. They unequivocally set themselves to be perfect examples of human beings in everything they do, say and are and anyone who does not aspire to live similarly is not worthy of any consideration and is allowed to breath their air under their grace.

You have explained how you remunerate your staff... I was just asking if attitude played a part in your "calculation" is all.

I agree with you to huge extent, but WTF are ya gonna do with all of those administration people who you would unemploy? The reality is that they are an integral part of the free market. Tis highly unlike you to ignore reality... were you drunk at the keyboard or somefink.

[mashman]

What about the self made tycoons - are they part of the ruling class conspiracy - or do you think they become part of it as they get richer and more powerful? Mark Zukenburg, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates?

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetwo...-billionaires/

Nah, they're just guys who got rich. I love the phrase self-made, coz that just ain't true... but each to their own.

[unstuck]

[pzkpfw]

Had a fortune cookie the other day (yes, really) that said "you don't help the poor Man by destroying the rich Man".

[avgas]

I dont know if you people have met any of these idiots

but they have " im better than you" attitude ,

J k , Ive seen him switch into this condescending attitude , I often see it , even in David lange

its wrong

its a perceived position of power and if you know what to look for "oh the fun and games that can be had"

Stephen

People never pull themselves into positions of power with good intentions. The only ones with good intensions are the ones whom didn't seek the power in the first place but had it thrust upon them.
That is why you never trust a politician. Politicians are no accident.

[unstuck]

Had a fortune cookie the other day (yes, really) that said "you don't help the poor Man by destroying the rich Man".

True that.

[Ocean1]

Not even close. The "ruling class" aren't just an "attitude", however their attitude is about thing that trickles down from atop their lofty perch. They unequivocally set themselves to be perfect examples of human beings in everything they do, say and are and anyone who does not aspire to live similarly is not worthy of any consideration and is allowed to breath their air under their grace.

So why not just say "arrogant bastards". Who, by the way don't have a monopoly on wealth, jobs, remuneration or the economy in general, there are as many non-wealthy arrogant bastards as rich ones. Probably more.

You have explained how you remunerate your staff... I was just asking if attitude played a part in your "calculation" is all.

Attitude is something other people have, people who's opinion you don't agree with. I have facts. My "calculation" on remuneration is based on the value of the person in question. Value measured by their contribution to the bottom line. Any significantly different way of doing it don't work. Pun intended.

I agree with you to huge extent, but WTF are ya gonna do with all of those administration people who you would unemploy?

Are you trying to suggest there's nothing better for them to do than waste resources? There's nothing they can do that actually contributes to the economy, rather than damages it?

The reality is that they are an integral part of the free market. Tis highly unlike you to ignore reality... were you drunk at the keyboard or somefink.

How can anyone who doesn't actually produce anything someone else wants be a part of a free market? They're parasites. And they know it, the article you posted agrees, suggested they hated their jobs, knew it was make-work and longed to do something productive.

Reality agrees too, every means to subvert a free market produces distortions in the market that have a far greater reach than intended, dragging GDP down. And there's an imperial shitload of subversive rules and compliance issues that produce nothing of value, all costing the economy an unbelievable quantity of manpower and cash and very rarely producing the desired effect.

[jonbuoy]

Had a fortune cookie the other day (yes, really) that said "you don't help the poor Man by destroying the rich Man".

Yup Zimbabwe is a good example.

[avgas]

[mashman]

Had a fortune cookie the other day (yes, really) that said "you don't help the poor Man by destroying the rich Man".

Given that it isn't the rich man that physically produces the product, the harm to the poor would be minimal as others would take their place. However destroying them is pointless.

[mashman]

So why not just say "arrogant bastards". Who, by the way don't have a monopoly on wealth, jobs, remuneration or the economy in general, there are as many non-wealthy arrogant bastards as rich ones. Probably more.

Attitude is something other people have, people who's opinion you don't agree with. I have facts. My "calculation" on remuneration is based on the value of the person in question. Value measured by their contribution to the bottom line. Any significantly different way of doing it don't work. Pun intended.

Are you trying to suggest there's nothing better for them to do than waste resources? There's nothing they can do that actually contributes to the economy, rather than damages it?

How can anyone who doesn't actually produce anything someone else wants be a part of a free market? They're parasites. And they know it, the article you posted agrees, suggested they hated their jobs, knew it was make-work and longed to do something productive.

Reality agrees too, every means to subvert a free market produces distortions in the market that have a far greater reach than intended, dragging GDP down. And there's an imperial shitload of subversive rules and compliance issues that produce nothing of value, all costing the economy an unbelievable quantity of manpower and cash and very rarely producing the desired effect.

Coz it goes beyond arrogance. The "attitude" is that they own everything and everyone and that everything and everyone should submit to their bidding irrespective of whether it kills people along the way.

I can understand why you don't want to answer the question.

So you're saying that they're unproductive? Without their wages and employment your economy would blow into a million pieces and noone would have the money to buy anything. Without their wages GDP would be woeful. They are an integral part. The free market is a myth. My reasoning for the hatred of their jobs etc... is primarily seated in the source article by Graeber. However I believe that he has ignored, or hasn't really grasped, the primary factor that leads to the malaise.

Yup, agreed. There are a huge amount of jobs that really aren't required. Mine is one of them. Having said that, and you're not going to like this, if you want true efficiency etc... then production should be in the hands of as many monopolies as there are business sectors. to that end I am as right wing extreme as you could possibly imagine, but given the damage it does, I end up balancing the need of monopolies by taking one step left and becoming an extreme left dweller and removing the damaging factor from that equation i.e. money. That makes me neither left nor right wing, rather I want to see things done because they need doing and not because a bunch of fucktards who are stuck in the industrial age believe that it is their right to make profit off of the backs of others, whilst leaving those others fighting the wolf at the door.

[Ocean1]

Coz it goes beyond arrogance. The "attitude" is that they own everything and everyone and that everything and everyone should submit to their bidding irrespective of whether it kills people along the way.

Convicted murderers, then. Mostly locked up ain't they?

Or are you simply attributing extreme fantasies to people you don't like but can't say exactly why?

Again.

I can understand why you don't want to answer the question.

What fucking question? If you can't be fukt selectively quoting then your atrocious comprehension is going to make your shit completely incomprehensible.

So you're saying that they're unproductive? Without their wages and employment your economy would blow into a million pieces and noone would have the money to buy anything. Without their wages GDP would be woeful. They are an integral part. The free market is a myth. My reasoning for the hatred of their jobs etc... is primarily seated in the source article by Graeber. However I believe that he has ignored, or hasn't really grasped, the primary factor that leads to the malaise.

Am I saying unproductive people don't contribute to GDP? Absolutely, only a fuckwit would claim otherwise.

Oh...

There are a huge amount of jobs that really aren't required.

So, there are shitloads of jobs that aren't required, but it's not the ones than don't produce anything?

And non productive jobs actually contribute to GDP. Right.

I know exactly who it is that doesn't require non-productive jobs: those that pay for them.

Exactly which jobs do you think aren't required, and exactly who is it that you think doesn't require them?

Nah, don't bother, I've had enough of your paranoid fantasies.

[mashman]

Convicted murderers, then. Mostly locked up ain't they?

Or are you simply attributing extreme fantasies to people you don't like but can't say exactly why?

Again.

You'll not find the "ruling class" anywhere near a jail. So no, they run about as freely as any person on this planet can.

I have more on common with them than I care to mention. I'm glad I'm on my side and not theirs.

What fucking question? If you can't be fukt selectively quoting then your atrocious comprehension is going to make your shit completely incomprehensible.

You could have gazed back a couple of posts and seen the question instead of foaming at the mouth and spitting the dummy.

Am I saying unproductive people don't contribute to GDP? Absolutely, only a fuckwit would claim otherwise.

Oh...

Oh dear.

So, there are shitloads of jobs that aren't required, but it's not the ones than don't produce anything?

And non productive jobs actually contribute to GDP. Right.

I know exactly who it is that doesn't require non-productive jobs: those that pay for them.

Exactly which jobs do you think aren't required, and exactly who is it that you think doesn't require them?

Nah, don't bother, I've had enough of your paranoid fantasies.

An unrequired job is an unrequired job... if it produces money for the economy and keeps people from being a net tax drain, then surely the job is producing something that contributes to GDP?

I see. So screw the country and the wider economy, it's your needs that matter? Fuckin genius.

Any job that is a double-up i.e. if 1 company of 10 people can do the job, why have another company of 10 people that do exactly the same thing? Start with the essential jobs and start the cull.

Paranoid fantasies? That's got to be a new low for you, entertaining, but most certainly a new low.

[mashman]

Bedroom tax "lies" exposed as figures show 19 out of 20 victims have nowhere to move to... money is bad.