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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Yep, so what will happen next - in order to attract more local labour, instead of importing cheap overseas labour - they will have to make being a Tanker driver a more attractive option. Either a Higher Wage or better working conditions.

    Short term disruption, long term benefit.
    Or use the army drivers. When has a Tory government ever made a change to benefit workers? Recall the three day week at huge cost to Britain, all to destroy the miners union
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Yep, so what will happen next - in order to attract more local labour, instead of importing cheap overseas labour - they will have to make being a Tanker driver a more attractive option. Either a Higher Wage or better working conditions.

    Short term disruption, long term benefit.
    That may be the sensible path, but I bet they take the other option - as in NZ - of moaning that the locals are too lazy/stupid/drugged and want to offer special visas to drivers from India and other nations where a handful of currency gets a HGV license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Yep, so what will happen next - in order to attract more local labour, instead of importing cheap overseas labour - they will have to make being a Tanker driver a more attractive option. Either a Higher Wage or better working conditions.

    Short term disruption, long term benefit.
    I'm aware there are short term unemployed in Britain, as there are here. The thought of the average long term unemployed person behind the wheel of a gas tanker is the stuff of nightmares.

    Perhaps some of those financial whiz kids doing "something in the City", who no longer have access to Europe might seek a career change to tanker diver

    Meanwhile Britain is running on empty 'cause nobody saw this coming. Nobody in the government anyway. Elect a clown, iive in a circus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    I'm aware there are short term unemployed in Britain, as there are here. The thought of the average long term unemployed person behind the wheel of a gas tanker is the stuff of nightmares.

    Perhaps some of those financial whiz kids doing "something in the City", who no longer have access to Europe might seek a career change to tanker diver

    Meanwhile Britain is running on empty 'cause nobody saw this coming. Nobody in the government anyway. Elect a clown, iive in a circus.
    "You're bleeding to death, we need to get this IV Line into you so we can give you a Transfusion"
    "But the needle will hurt!"

    Now, I do have to ask - are you inferring something about the average long term unemployed person?

    I mean, if I was to make the same inference, some might be all up in arms about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    Or use the army drivers. When has a Tory government ever made a change to benefit workers? Recall the three day week at huge cost to Britain, all to destroy the miners union
    See, that's a really interesting one.

    As some of you know, I grew up in essentially Post-Thatcher Britain. It was quite good, actually.

    The stranglehold that the Labour (and especially at that time) Communist Unions had on the country needed to be dealt with. It, too, had it's consequences - such as decimating certain parts of the North (AKA Labour's Red Wall).

    However, in doing so, it helped other workers - a Lot of people did quite well aka 'Maggie's Millionaires' the problems of the catastrophic Labour policies of the 1970s had been dealt with and the Economy Flourished....

    Until Tony Blair came in and fucked it all up, but that's a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadpole View Post
    That may be the sensible path, but I bet they take the other option - as in NZ - of moaning that the locals are too lazy/stupid/drugged and want to offer special visas to drivers from India and other nations where a handful of currency gets a HGV license.
    Then if you add in that if people have alternatives (like staying at home, on the dole, getting high) then they won't work - if you remove that as an option....
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    When I become Supreme Overlord, TheDemonLord will be in charge of rounding up the "like staying at home, on the dole, getting high" types and putting them to work at minimum wage. Of course, he will be on minimum wage too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    Or use the army drivers. When has a Tory government ever made a change to benefit workers? Recall the three day week at huge cost to Britain, all to destroy the miners union
    That was mentioned. I can't be certain of the exact number of tanker drivers the British army had, but seem to recall it was 90. That still leaves them thousands short.

    In other Brexit news, Spain is kicking the Brit expats out of the Costa Del Sol etc. There was a Brit cabinet member saying a while back that while foreigners in Brtain would have to go home, Brits in Europe would be able to stay. The stupidity is astounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Now, I do have to ask - are you inferring something about the average long term unemployed person?
    I think you mean "implying" but yes, you could say that. I used to work in a building that housed the local WINZ office so have seen many WINZ customers, and I have been one myself. Not all are in the same category, many are there due to circumstances beyond their control. Then there are those who are rarely ever sober or straight. Putting them behind the wheel of a tanker would be exceedingly unwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Yep, so what will happen next - in order to attract more local labour, instead of importing cheap overseas labour - they will have to make being a Tanker driver a more attractive option. Either a Higher Wage or better working conditions.

    Short term disruption, long term benefit.
    The real problem is parking in UK. That’s what makes the job such a grind, everything else is not so bad in trucking terms.
    Poms lovevtheir tea breaks and if there’s no where to stop for a cuppa they fall apart.
    Stop at a services more than two hours and you have to pay.
    Also it’s a running jokevover there to call a trucker a serial killer after a few unfortunate high profile cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Also it’s a running jokevover there to call a trucker a serial killer after a few unfortunate high profile cases.
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    Alabama has decided to use some of the grant received from the federal government to fight COVID to build new prisons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    I think you mean "implying" but yes, you could say that. I used to work in a building that housed the local WINZ office so have seen many WINZ customers, and I have been one myself. Not all are in the same category, many are there due to circumstances beyond their control. Then there are those who are rarely ever sober or straight. Putting them behind the wheel of a tanker would be exceedingly unwise.
    isnt it funny when a right wing free market type wants to be a closed market protectionist "commie"


    What Is a Free Market Economy?
    Government highly control some economies. In planned economies, or command economies, the government controls the means of production and the distribution of wealth, dictating the prices of goods and services and the wages workers receive. In a free market economy, the law of supply and demand, rather than a central government, regulates production and labor. Companies sell goods and services at the highest price consumers are willing to pay while workers earn the highest wages companies are willing to pay for their services. A purely capitalist economy is a free market economy; the profit motive drives all commerce and forces businesses to operate as efficiently as possible to avoid losing market share to competitors.
    KEY TAKEAWAYS:
    A free market economy is one where supply and demand regulate production and labor as opposed to the government.
    Most countries' economies contain elements of both free market and command economies.
    Hong Kong's economy is considered the most free, followed by New Zealand while Algeria and Timor-Leste were the least free in 2019, according to the 2019 Index of Economic Freedom.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadpole View Post
    When I become Supreme Overlord, TheDemonLord will be in charge of rounding up the "like staying at home, on the dole, getting high" types and putting them to work at minimum wage. Of course, he will be on minimum wage too...
    Don't worry, Like all good party functionaries forced to be on Minimum Wage, I'll ensure that an appropriate number of Bribes are paid to me to continue my preferred lifestyle
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    I think you mean "implying" but yes, you could say that. I used to work in a building that housed the local WINZ office so have seen many WINZ customers, and I have been one myself. Not all are in the same category, many are there due to circumstances beyond their control. Then there are those who are rarely ever sober or straight. Putting them behind the wheel of a tanker would be exceedingly unwise.
    Now, I don't disagree at all - The follow-up question though is the interesting one:

    For those that find themselves on the Dole due to bad luck, I genuinely wish that we could do more for them.

    For those however that as you say "are rarely ever sober or straight." - how is it that they are able to afford to be that way? Why is it that we, the taxpayer is funding someone's lifestyle choice to sit around and get drunk and high? To those people, I would have little, to no sympathy in cutting off the Purse strings entirely and saying 'Fend for yourself or Die'

    Perhaps we could redirect the money saved to the people who got their through no fault of their own and provide them with better tools to get back into the productive workforce.

    I will add one small Caveat to that, which is the rate at which mental illness is undiagnosed and more specifically, the rate at which some people try and self-medicate with Drugs or alcohol is very high - and so if they did have mental issues, then the correct approach would be to take them into a mental care facillitiy where they can get the appropriate assistance.

    Additional caveat to the caveat - that would require a functional Mental Health system...
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