Stupid World

[R650R]

Reports indicate that Russian soldiers in Ukraine steal anything that isn't nailed down, any electrical appliances, meat grinders, even carpets. One enterprising thief reportedly took the armour out of his plate carrier and replaced it with a stolen laptop. Unfortunately karma came to play, the laptop didn't function as armour and now he's dead.

The Russians are trying to steal an entire country and your worried about a laptop... I’m sure that’s going to cause a right kerfluffle at the Kremlin public relations dept.

[mashman]

Putin should be charged with war crimes after thousands die in a 'conventional' conflict. Alas, Bush n Blair go where they please after lying their way into a set of conflicts that saw limited nuclear war take place killing tens of thousands in one region (fallujahns are still fucked 30 years later) in Iraq... as well as using the same tactics in Syria with a no no gas and depleted uranium munitions... But yeah, Putin's the uber bad guy walking the planet today

[husaberg]

Putin should be charged with war crimes after thousands die in a 'conventional' conflict. Alas, Bush n Blair go where they please after lying their way into a set of conflicts that saw limited nuclear war take place killing tens of thousands in one region (fallujahns are still fucked 30 years later) in Iraq... as well as using the same tactics in Syria with a no no gas and depleted uranium munitions... But yeah, Putin's the uber bad guy walking the planet today

Out of interest, Do you have evidence of Bush and Blair targeting civilians like Putin clearly has.

[pritch]

The Russians are trying to steal an entire country and your worried about a laptop... I’m sure that’s going to cause a right kerfluffle at the Kremlin public relations dept.

I'm not worried about a laptop, neither is the guy who tried to use one as armour plate.

[mashman]

The Russians are trying to steal an entire country and your worried about a laptop... I’m sure that’s going to cause a right kerfluffle at the Kremlin public relations dept.

Hunters probably... coz his man would then probably gt in trouble.

[husaberg]

Hunters probably... coz his man would then probably gt in trouble.

So do you have that evidence yet for the targeted civilians by Americans or the covid cures and all the other claims you make?

[pritch]

Interested to see that Cabinet today discussed supplying Javelins to Ukraine but decided against it. There might be a couple of reasons for that.

When I was in Burnham a couple of years ago discussing Javelins with the guys who train to use them. They said each shot cost about $150,000.00.
In answer to my next question the reply was that they had been allowed to fire four all that year. That's not four each, that's four total for the unit.

Their Javelins are the early model, later models cost something like $300,000* per shot. So two possible reasons Cabinet decided not to send them are that:
A) We have only a very few and
B) they are embarrassingly out of date.






* I can't remember the exact amount but it was seriously large and in that general region.

[husaberg]

Interested to see that Cabinet today discussed supplying Javelins to Ukraine but decided against it. There might be a couple of reasons for that.

When I was in Burnham a couple of years ago discussing Javelins with the guys who train to use them. They said each shot cost about $150,000.00.
In answer to my next question the reply was that they had been allowed to fire four all that year. That's not four each, that's four total for the unit.

Their Javelins are the early model, later models cost something like $300,000* per shot. So two possible reasons Cabinet decided not to send them are that:
A) We have only a very few and
B) they are embarrassingly out of date.






* I can't remember the exact amount but it was seriously large and in that general region.

When we had the Sidewinders for the A4's i am pretty sure they were only allowed to use them when they were due to time out.

[pritch]

When we had the Sidewinders for the A4's i am pretty sure they were only allowed to use them when they were due to time out.

That has the ring of truth.

[husaberg]

That has the ring of truth.

We used the AIM-9G version with the pre-kahu Skyhawk. All of the live ones were fired as they went time-ex in the mid/late '80s. Some of the CATM versions are still around the RNZAF for training aids and at the Air Force Museum at Wigram on display.

We bought 100 AIM-9Ls in the late 80s as part of the Kahu update and only fired one of them.

Like all weapons the AIM-9's (including the training CATM version) were tightly controlled. We weren't even allowed to keep the CATMs on the aircraft in the hangar overnight at Ohakea (insufficient security). They were taken away each night and stored in a nice secure location on base and dropped back in the morning (with one of the Squadron Armament SNCOs signing for them each day). Interestingly when we were deployed overseas we left them on the aircraft because they were real Air Forces and had real security!

I heard a while ago the live AIM-9L's had been sold to a middle east US State Dept approved buyer. The CATMLs may be going to the US with the aircraft that have been sold? NZ6254 at Wigram has one fitted.

The Skyhawk never used the AIM-7 (it needed an air-to-air radar which the original Skyhawk didn't have, although the APG-66 in the Kahu Skyhawks, with a few software tweaks could have successfully illuminated a target for a Sparrow or AMRAM).

So your chances of acquiring one is... zero. Best to make a replica. The Ashburton Aviation Museum have made a replica for their Harrier and no doubt will do the same for their Skyhawk.
Don Simms ex RNZAF AVTECH 1984-2001
https://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/14977/rnzaf-aim-9s

From Google.
look like i heard right, i never knew we had that many of the late ones though.
i think the only time we used a Skyhawk in anger was a burst from the cannon at a unarmed fishing boat.

oh google delivers again
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/5875...iconic-Skyhawk

"This Skyhawk, NZ6206, is the only RNZAF Skyhawk to have ever fired a shot in anger and it is certainly fitting to be displayed in the new Aviation Display Hall where New Zealanders can see an important piece of NZ aviation history."

The RNZAF NZ6206 Skyhawk shot 20mm cannon rounds over the bows of an illegal Taiwanese fishing boat plundering the West Coast of the North Island's huge squid populations in 1976.

what i didnt know was we had sea saprrows
i remember the leanders having the aussie missles ikiras (SP)

looks like they (the sparrows)were replaced by these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAMM_(missile_family)

[TheDemonLord]

There's a very interesting parallel between the above posts and the various sources (from here and elsewhere) about the Police Firearms officers having a tiny allowance for training rounds.

[R650R]

Interested to see that Cabinet today discussed supplying Javelins to Ukraine but decided against it. There might be a couple of reasons for that.

When I was in Burnham a couple of years ago discussing Javelins with the guys who train to use them. They said each shot cost about $150,000.00.
In answer to my next question the reply was that they had been allowed to fire four all that year. That's not four each, that's four total for the unit.

Their Javelins are the early model, later models cost something like $300,000* per shot. So two possible reasons Cabinet decided not to send them are that:
A) We have only a very few and
B) they are embarrassingly out of date.

* I can't remember the exact amount but it was seriously large and in that general region.

Your numbers are pretty close to what I worked out via peril of exchange rates and a bit of googling.
In 2006 the govt committed to buying 24 launchers plus extra missles and training as part of a $26 million modernisation annoynced in 2001.....
You can bet our forces/sas took some to Afghanistan and used/lost as required.
Apparently just after the extra missles were delivered the contract repair and maintenance program from manufacturer was deemed too expensive so we bought extra spare parts ourselves.
Given the era they were purchased in I think the intended target should were more likely the threat of alqueda sleeper cells in NZ driving at sensitive targets with suicide trucks etc.... cause seriously whose tanks did they ever think we will be shooting at????
Kinda like our anti submarine warfare, just whose subs are we going to depth charge without being nuked in return, it’s a fantasy.....
So I concur we prob barely got enough available to train and keep our current forces proficient in their use.

[pritch]

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Given the era they were purchased in I think the intended target should were more likely the threat of alqueda sleeper cells in NZ driving at sensitive targets with suicide trucks etc.... cause seriously whose tanks did they ever think we will be shooting at????

The army usually trains with an anti tank weapon even if some were only sad joke status. They need to in case they get sent somewhere the enemy does have armoured vehicles. M72s were used in Vietnam long before the NVA had tanks there. The M72 was effective against bunkers. Similarly the Javelin can be used against helicopters as well as tanks.

Currently it's Friday evening and I'm about to appreciate a crafty little hazy IPA. Interesting name, "Russian Warship Go F* Yourself".

[mashman]

New Hunter Biden revelations raise counterintelligence questions... lol@new. They've had the machine for number of years. Does China have the Bidens over a barrel or is it just, as George Carlin mentioned, "A big club ... and you ain't in it.". No question mark for a reason.

[R650R]

The army usually trains with an anti tank weapon even if some were only sad joke status. They need to in case they get sent somewhere the enemy does have armoured vehicles. M72s were used in Vietnam long before the NVA had tanks there. The M72 was effective against bunkers. Similarly the Javelin can be used against helicopters as well as tanks.

Currently it's Friday evening and I'm about to appreciate a crafty little hazy IPA. Interesting name, "Russian Warship Go F* Yourself".