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[TheDemonLord]

As for race in text books, it's a case of follow the money. Glen Younkin, the recently elected Republican Governor of Virginia, owns or has a signifificant financial interest in the publisher of the text books not affected by De Santis' ban. What a coincidence.

Could be - however it could also be that a Conservative owner of a company that publishes Text books might not allow radical left-wing concepts into their material.

Just a thought....

Anyhoo DeSantis has moved on. He has declared war on Mickey Mouse because Mickey didn't support his "Don't say gay" homophobic legislation. Another transprent ploy to keep the base on the boil.

So first question on the Anti-Groomer bill:

Can you find anywhere in the Bill that says Homosexuality?

I'll spare you the time - you can't because it doesn't mention it. It prohibits instruction (that is a pre-determined lesson) from teaching about Sexual Relationships (which, might I add includes heterosexual relationships) from Children for whom it's not appropriate.

Here's a few example of Teachers openly talking about indoctrinating children (including one who outlines how they teach it in Kindergarten) into Gender Ideology.

For example: https://youtu.be/bn8zBaa3f1c?t=132
or https://youtu.be/oHzyJ4SoOLQ?t=534
or https://youtu.be/AlvzJWqEg1U?t=160

However, I want to save this one for last, since it cuts right to the very heart of what the Bill was about:



"I don't care what the Parents want, I'm going to do it anyway", As a Parent - No. Hard No. And funnily enough, this hill turns out to be one an awful lot of parents are willing to die on.

There's another video that unfortunately got taken down where a School teacher in a Classroom talked about how they wanted to teach their children about BDSM but they had to tell them not to talk to their parents about it.

I'll be brutally honest - any Adult that:

1: Wants to talk to a child about anything to do with Sex and
2: Tells them not to tell their parents

That's a Pedophile.

[sugilite:Me]

Can you find anywhere in the Bill that says Homosexuality?

I'll spare you the time - you can't because it doesn't mention it. It prohibits instruction (that is a pre-determined lesson) from teaching about Sexual Relationships (which, might I add includes heterosexual relationships) from Children for whom it's not appropriate.

I agree with the bill that prohibits discussion about gender identity for grade 3 and lower children. My problem is the very deliberate vagueness of the 2nd half of the sentence "or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.". That needs to be defined so it is not a de facto blanket ban for all age groups. It is important for trans people to be acknowledged, and what age that is should be discussed and implemented before the bill becomes law.

the whole sentence below.
Lines 97-101: Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

[TheDemonLord]

I agree with the bill that prohibits discussion about gender identity for grade 3 and lower children. My problem is the very deliberate vagueness of the 2nd half of the sentence "or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.". That needs to be defined so it is not a de facto blanket ban for all age groups. It is important for trans people to be acknowledged, and what age that is should be discussed and implemented before the bill becomes law.

the whole sentence below.
Lines 97-101: Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

I consider the best way is to use the Religious education as the Yard Stick.

As Kindergarten/Lower primary School - Nothing.
When they are a bit older, 9/10/11 - "There are different people, who have different Beliefs"
When they are in their teens, that's when this can be expanded on a little bit "There are these groups of people, here is what they do, here is what defines them etc. etc."

One other thing in the Bill which I think was very wise to include and that those opposed to it fail to acknowledge - was that it doesn't prohibit the Teacher from answering a question. So for example in a biology class - Little Mary could raise her hand and ask the teacher:

"I've heard that Sex and Gender aren't the same" - and the Teacher can answer that question. If a child approaches a Teacher after class and says "I'm not sure that's me" - they can have that discussion.

That said, knowing the roots of Gender Ideology, I'm more and more siding with the camp of Biological Sex, 23rd Chromosome, Biological Essentialism. I'm happy to treat a Trans person as the opposite Sex, to afford them certain attributes of that sex if I think they are genuine - but there are certain issues and realms where the underlying biological reality overrules.

[sugilite:Me]

As Kindergarten/Lower primary School - Nothing.
When they are a bit older, 9/10/11 - "There are different people, who have different Beliefs"
When they are in their teens, that's when this can be expanded on a little bit "There are these groups of people, here is what they do, here is what defines them etc. etc."

Yep, that seems about right.

That said, knowing the roots of Gender Ideology, I'm more and more siding with the camp of Biological Sex, 23rd Chromosome, Biological Essentialism. I'm happy to treat a Trans person as the opposite Sex, to afford them certain attributes of that sex if I think they are genuine - but there are certain issues and realms where the underlying biological reality overrules.

And so does this. They should not be allowed to compete in sports such as that swimmer in the states. I seriously believe, the biological girls should all boycott on mass any further events until the ruling sports bodies come to their senses. The current situation is not fair at all.

[TheDemonLord]

Yep, that seems about right.


And so does this. They should not be allowed to compete in sports such as that swimmer in the states. I seriously believe, the biological girls should all boycott on mass any further events until the ruling sports bodies come to their senses. The current situation is not fair at all.

Congratulations - as far as the Left-wing is concerned, you're now pretty much a Trump-voting *phobe

Is it fair? No.

But I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a certain amount of 'I told you so' happening. Either we will find our collective backbone and push back on this nonsense, or we let it run to it's inevitable (and likely bloody) conclusion and reform society anew from the Ashes.

And just quietly - I'm still on the fence as to which option I prefer.

[Berries]

Biological Sex, 23rd Chromosome, Biological Essentialism.

All three of these bands are playing at Sammys in Dunedin on Friday night.

Tickets $10 each.

[sugilite:Me]

Congratulations - as far as the Left-wing is concerned, you're now pretty much a Trump-voting *phobe

Hmmmm, thin ice here for you bro, any repub that dares to say anything anti trump, boom primaried. Yet the dems, as much as they are the experts at circular firing squads, do seem to put up with dissenters (as in Manchin, and other dumb bitch I cannot recall name of) in their ranks a lot better than repubs. Well I should say the party of trump does, because, lets face it, the repub party theatrically died a long protracted death starting hmmmm, about 2016. They are the trump party now. (The majority of whom piss all over conservatism)
Though if Trump does decide to run (the later he announces the better. let desantis get his hopes up) then the Trump/Desantis scrap will be a glorious bloodbath worth watching
The dems will have to work double time to bring the attention back to their disasters (but I have faith they will find some extra feet to shoot).

But I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a certain amount of 'I told you so' happening.

Is this an ad hoc type I told you so, or one directly aimed at me, because I don't remember us discussing this subject before?

These days republicans are calling anything that moves pedophilia, I notice you are gobbling this republican party talking point up like choc coated tic tacs of late....
I like this response to a poorly targeted repub pedo smear job, almost looks like McMorrow might be a ok pollie.

[TheDemonLord]

Hmmmm, thin ice here for you bro, any repub that dares to say anything anti trump, boom primaried. Yet the dems, as much as they are the experts at circular firing squads, do seem to put up with dissenters (as in Manchin, and other dumb bitch I cannot recall name of) in their ranks a lot better than repubs. Well I should say the party of trump does, because, lets face it, the repub party theatrically died a long protracted death starting hmmmm, about 2016. They are the trump party now. (The majority of whom piss all over conservatism)
Though if Trump does decide to run (the later he announces the better. let desantis get his hopes up) then the Trump/Desantis scrap will be a glorious bloodbath worth watching
The dems will have to work double time to bring the attention back to their disasters (but I have faith they will find some extra feet to shoot).

I'm pulling your leg... mostly, the joke being that having the rational approach to Sex/Gender is now enough to brand one as 'Far right'.

As for DeSantis - If Trump runs, I don't think he will - I'd like Trump to run again (obviously...)

In regards to dissent in the ranks, I think you are safe- lots of conservative commentators and people connected to, but outside the Party have been critical of Trump.

Is this an ad hoc type I told you so, or one directly aimed at me, because I don't remember us discussing this subject before?

Discussed previously, but not here - that 'I told you so' isn't aimed at anyone in particular - more specifically, when the burgeoning SJW movement was growing back before Trump, many people pointed out that in the end they would end up destroying themselves.

Seeing all the vocal proponents who helped spawn this movement get canceled due to it has been hilarious.

These days republicans are calling anything that moves pedophilia, I notice you are gobbling this republican party talking point up like choc coated tic tacs of late...

This debate has gone on long before the Republicans actually started to pay attention.

There are 2 particular avenues of concern:

1: indoctrination Children into Gender ideology (which has it's roots in the Gramsci/Frankfurt School/Marx schools of philosophy)

2: the attempt by some to use the banner of Sexual expression to try and normalize pedophilia.

Basically it's using the same arguments that the Gay Rights movement used - 'I was born this way' and 'love is love' to try and justify their 'sexual preference' and 'identity'.

(Quick note - not saying that Gay people are pedophiles, I'm saying that some people are using the same argumentation)

[R650R]

Y’all might not of noticed... but I thought our resident twitterati gospel preachers would have noticed... but Electric Jesus aka Elon Musk just bought twitter outright for $61 billion dollars.
There seems to be a lot of hysteria among the wokerati about a successful African American buying a free speech flatform and planning on allowing free speech.

[sugilite:Me]

African American, chortle, chortle, good effort mate

[TheDemonLord]

Elon is an absolute Mad Lad.

[mashman]

'Everything is halted': Shanghai shutdowns are worsening shortages... just lol.

[sugilite:Me]

'Everything is halted': Shanghai shutdowns are worsening shortages... just lol.

And as of today, they are starting to instigate shutdown processes in Beijing too.

[mashman]

And as of today, they are starting to instigate shutdown processes in Beijing too.

Aye... been happening for a few months in various places. Glad I never ordered an air fryer.

[Viking01]

In these serious days, it's good to find a bit of humour now and then.

I've recently been enjoying a NetFlix series on the Monty Python group, and it's been interesting seeing some background on the various members of the group (e.g. Palin, Cleese, etc).

It's sad that some of the old UK favourites have sadly now passed (e.g. the Two Ronnies):

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...handles-extras

But as I was trolling, sorry scanning through the Guardian this morning, I came across a mention of some of the newer generation of British comedians e.g.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...e-hypothetical

And in true British form, it seems maybe some of the UK politicians are wanting to join in the act. Providing some dark humour, even if not intended as such.

Just from a casual scan of the Guardian in recent days:

1. Boris Johnson(of recent covid party fame) - is being asked to discipline one of his own MP's. I'm not quite sure which aspect of this whole situation is the most entertaining.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ommons-starmer
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2067732.html

2. Liz Truss (UK Foreign Secretary) - who previously struggled to distinguish between the Black and the Baltic seas - still seems in great need of a geography textbook. A world map at the very least (they can't be that expensive).

This time, she seems to think the North Atlantic is in close proximity to the South China Sea, and that the Chinese are in need of some (navigational ?) guidance:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-asia-pacific?

3. Jacob Rees-Mogg has decided that the UK will delay Brexit-related border checks (for goods entering the UK from the EU) yet again, but that the UK public should be happy:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-boris-johnson

At least the following (related) article found a means to blame the Russians for it (via the EU imposed sanctions, and all the associated economic blow-back slowly being incurred):

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...7bab745d874b9c

This follows Michael Gove's earlier announcement about some of the other "benefits" of the UK having exited the EU:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2057549.html

I wasn't sure (in the above link) whether it was a smile on Gove's face, or simply a look of resignation. It's hard to tell. [ No, sorry, my mistake, it must be a smile. The Conservatives don't do resignations, as Boris has already demonstrated. ]

[Edit 01.05.2022]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2069106.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2067421.html