Fair weather rider
If it makes you feel better, when the self driving Tesla robotaxis start flooding our roads and you need a cheap ride home from the pub, you'll be paying me a small commission to use itOriginally Posted by Berries
Seems like a win win situation for everyone involved!
Anorak
NZ'S TOP 10 NEW VEHICLES FOR 2022
Toyota Hilux (7139)
Ford Ranger (7450)
Mitsubishi Outlander (7139)
Mitsubishi Triton (5316)
Toyota RAV4 (4282)
Suzuki Swift (2722)
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross (2705)
Kia Sportage (2437)
Mitsubishi ASX (2381)
MG ZS (2303)
Teslas did sell well in NOV as they were back ordered and the shipment arrived late......
.attribute the high September numbers to pent up demand (perhaps 3 months’ worth of backorders and 2 years’ worth of demand)
They never featured in the TOP ten for yearly sales.
Toyota i know cant supply us with as many hilux's as we want.
They will have Hilux hybrid in 2-3 years.
We already run a fleet of Ravs in hybrid form
If National stops this guess what happens.....New Zealand government has subsidized the purchase of new electric cars and plug-in hybrids with up to 8,625 New Zealand dollars. The programme is financed by introducing new levies on vehicles with high emissions, making it a bonus-malus scheme. According to the Guardian, this will make an imported Toyota Hilux — one of New Zealand’s most popular off-road vehicles — 2,900 New Zealand dollars more expensive.”
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Fair weather rider
Husenberg
All I read of your post is the Tesla model Y is the number 1 selling vehicle in New Zealand today not last year, not last decade, today!
And that's all that real matters
Now leave me to bathe in the warm glow of Tesla's success.
Fair weather rider
If National get in they will cut subsided funding for your female hormone replacement therapy
That should be your biggest concern.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
We’ve been talking about how thectruck just isn’t economically viable from a payload efficiency/ infrastructure cost/running time perspective.
If you live somewhere like Auckland the car prob makes sense if your property is condusive towards installing the charging infrastrure.
Outside of woke virtue signalling corporations most trucking operators will find the Tesla semi economically unviable. We pay significant weight based road tax, with the Tesla there’s 5 ton less payload to offset that tax...
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Fair weather rider
R650R, I'm not a trucking industry expert or have little to no knowledge on the industry but as a business owner myself
Wouldn't the tax write off on the purchase of the Tesla semi, tax depreciation on new plant machinery, greenhouse emissions tax credits if any and hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions over a decade plus saved on fuel cost far outweigh your guys cost concern as stated above?
Note: I didn't Google this post, just thoughts from myself.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
You already get those accounting tricks on diesel trucks. With the cost of finance you donÂ’t buy new gear until the business NEEDS new gear. Some companies are fortunate with established customers and finance base that they can buy new trucks every 3-5 years which helps massively with driver recruitment and retention, others always on breadline of collapse.
Electricity isnÂ’t free, neither is installing and maintaining charging infrastructure onsite. Also the space consideration of tractor unit being in a specific spot to be unloaded/reloaded without forklifts running over charging cables etc.
IÂ’d like part of where I am now to be electric forklifts 100% (proven technology and they work great) but we just donÂ’t have the space for charging location or battery swap. We are maxed out yet canÂ’t justify cost to move to new/bigger premises. Many other NZ businesses face this challenge also, part of their success/efficiency is location specific.
Trucks make money moving stuff from one place to another. Anything that interferes or restricts when a truck can move is money through the floorboards. It doesnÂ’t matter if itÂ’s congestion, police checkpoints or being in workshop itÂ’s all lost revenue.
John breaks down the stats even better in the second vid of how many EXTRA trucks youÂ’d have to buy to cover the decrease in efficiency. Eg a 40 truck fleet would have to go to 46. ThatÂ’s a massive cost for even and already successful established business to swallow.
YouÂ’ll note a variety of trucks in NZ roads. Starting with your bare cab and chassis base thereÂ’s probably at most a two tonnes weight difference between a bare bones American/jap daycab compared to a full high rise sleeper cab euro Volvo or Scania. That two tonnes payload difference on every trip is make or break for many businesses. No one can sustain a 4-5 tonne extra loss on every trip.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Elon goes on about reliability but he lacks experience of the major truck manufacturers. It’s rarely the Diesel engine itself that fails. It’s all the ancillary equipment; air compressor for brakes, airlines/electrical lines, everything is subject to road vibrations and the constant chassis twisting over all big bumps in road.
Trucks get better each year as manufacturers learn from their prior mistakes, Elon doesn’t have that intel. I can guarantee you’ll never see a Tesla on the Tanami track in outback truckers...
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Fair weather rider
Thanks R650R
I think Tesla is slowly ramping to 50,000 by 2024 so we are unlikely to see them here for several years.
I don't add too much on the company valuations and revenue for the Tesla semi for the next financial year anyway
Ask a serious question get a serious answer.
Fair weather rider
Although NZ/OZ would see some here soon The majority of these would go to the North American market, so I would presume Tesla would need to build another Asian Pacific Giga factory (South Korea, Indonesia etc)to supply the Australia/NZ Asia Pacific market so it could be more later this decade.
Anorak
You are not even an expert on what you claim to be.
remember how you said tesla vision never used cameras.
if that is all that mater to you the largest selling in vehicle in NZ today is the toyota hilux folowed by the Ford ranger.
Tesla is not even in the top ten
Toyota Hilux (7139)
Ford Ranger (7450)
Mitsubishi Outlander (7139)
Mitsubishi Triton (5316)
Toyota RAV4 (4282)
Suzuki Swift (2722)
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross (2705)
Kia Sportage (2437)
Mitsubishi ASX (2381)
MG ZS (2303)
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Fair weather rider
Or perhaps
I'm the most qualified biker on this thread to comment on Tesla because I have a large portion of my networth invested in the company, so it pays to understand as much factual information before investing in a company
R650R has a vast understanding of the transportation industry which qualifies him to comment on his industry
Hesheberg has a vast experience on motorcycles which is his strength and knowledge
Not Tesla or by Googling Tesla mainstream media news articles.
Unless your a modern day genius like Elon Musk
For me it's far better to know alot about a little than a little about alot.
Hence you become an expert in your field.
Anorak
Assuming you have pet you are likely not even the most qualified in the room.
lets get back to your claims on being a tesla expert
you said Teslas teslavison doesn't use camera
i put to you it very clearly does ,telsa says this
how is it you claim to know more than tesla does?
You mean like the cameras you claimed were not part of tesla vision....
How is it you got that wrong being a self styled tesla expert?
it seems almost impossible given you claim to be a tesla expert and have access to specialist information to get such a simple part so completely and utterly wrong
From tesla themselves
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/autopilot/3
Transitioning to Tesla Vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot and related features.
Tesla's AI self-driving feature is made of neural networks which are trained on millions of video data so it can become better (remember the more data, the better the AI), and these millions of video data easily become big data and so using GPUs would be inefficient and distributed computing would be great but to train AI on data as big as millions of data videos which are updated daily you'd need a lot of computers as essentially distributed computing is just sharing processing work between a lot of computers and so tesla decided that building a supercomputer would be more efficient both tech-wise and cost-wise and so the Dojo supercomputer was born
The Dojo is a supercomputer built by tesla to train its AI deep neural networks and Machine Learning algorithms.
it goes smoothly the self-driving AI is taking note of its surroundings using an inbuilt camera and sending that video back to Tesla's servers so that data can be used to train it more and in so that way the more people who use the self-driving AI, the more it gets better.
Now back to the Dojo, in theory, when the video data gotten from the car is sent back to Tesla's servers, the Dojo supercomputer then gets hold of that data and uses it to train the neural network which powers the Tesla self-driving AI.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Weekend cruiser
Even if I could afford to buy a Tesla I would not purchase one....why? because Musk is a tool.
He portrays himself as some saviour to the human race...He falls into a similar category as trump for me.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Am I the only one that thinks it’s odd coincidence that Hollywood brings out a movie (Ironman) where’s the lead star looks like musk and is a techno genius saving the world from evil (which today is supposedly to be climate change)????
Could Musk just be a frontman for others inventions? Is he just a salesman for the new technocratic dictatorship coming?
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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