"Musk is a tool " so you I don't like him.Originally Posted by 1/32 man
This simple line tells me everything I need to know what type of an individual you are.
Fair weather rider
"Musk is a tool " so you I don't like him.
This simple line tells me everything I need to know what type of an individual you are.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Im no expert, just industry experience and a basic understanding of what drives business decisions, clue it’s mostly $$$$$ outside of govt regulatory intervention.
Pop quiz it’s refuel/recharge time....
I’ve just done 430km loaded to 48,000kg and done several deliveries.
Do I want to spend 6 mins pumping 280L diesel (100% capacity) ready to rock again.... or do I want to park in a special location for 30mins to recharge to 70% capacity...???
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Fair weather rider
I'm definitely a fan of Iron man, an arrogant billionaire playboy.
Not a woke Taika Waiti that wore a dress and feminised Thor.
Fair weather rider
This might seem like a dumb question, so I'm already prepared for the hate
But wouldn't you charge either fully overnight or during your lunch /Toilet break?
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Already covered off earlier.... for likes of amazon only going between your own major depots that works. However NZ operators are smaller and you need to maximise backloading. That means calling into random locations as the work becomes available.
You can’t guarantee conveniently be at location x at time r.
A lot of NZ freight moves overnight (nz consumers are spoilt by this level of service). During the day a lot of those trucks will do piecemeal work trunking loads back to yard to be consolidated for next nights journeys. Some companies even fully double shift trucks.
Again though it’s the availability of the charging infrastructure. Elon’s biggest battery the 900kw jobbie actually needs a 1.4Mw supply point due to the techno vagaries of losses during charging etc. 1.4Mw is the same demand as 4000 suburban houses. The plug and cable is going to need to be very close to mini substation/transformer to minimises losses and this will want to be close to roadway/ main supply for same reasons. Hell installing that might cost even more than the truck!
Remember that demand is just for one truck so across a whole city those sudden big demands just might create merry Hell with the grid...
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Fair weather rider
I'm not worried about the infrastructure because we don't even have the semi truck yet, so I'm presuming building the infrastructure would happen before the first Tesla semis start arriving on our shore, Tesla has already started lobbying The Canadian government to start on infrastructure, that would be a combination of private and government investment.
So an 800km charge, how much driving is a driver aloud to do legally by law?, and in a double shift with an alternative driver, would the truck not be able to recharge for an hour or so before it leaves perhaps for another 12 hour lag?
It gets to 100kmph in 20seconds fully loaded, so it should be much faster than a traditional diesel trucks in arriving to it's destination, this must be more valuable to the driver's health and mental health as well as company profits on his/her productivity
There's so many variables, but Tesla and Pepsi are the first test models on how this will work (or not) I look forward to seeing how it works out over the coming year.
All I ask is wait and see before you already decide on the final outcome.
Thanks for the insight!
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Worktime and driving are one and the same now in NZ. The fastest average speed a truck can legally maintain is in ballpark of 81km/h accounting for max speed of 90k and slowing down briefly for small town speed limits. So 13 x 81 is your answer.
Cost of infrastructure does matter! YOU as a consumer or taxpayer WILL pay for this extra expense and REDUCED payload efficiency.
Fast acceleration is a luxury that doesnÂ’t really matter. A good truck driver knows that a decent average speed is attained by keeping a unit moving. Stopping for any reason is what kills trip times.
The benchmark these days is 600HP for a diesel line haul truck. At night on emptying roads that will do a hilly NZ route about 15mins faster than say a 400Hp truck for a small penalty of 30-50Litres more of extra diesel used. During daytime with congestion it doesnÂ’t really matter.
TeslaÂ’s sensationalism over thectruck passing another on hill is pure marketing hype that real operators are not concerned with.
I note he has not mentioned regen braking, that is what would take it to another level. Perhaps the battery canÂ’t take the heat after just maxcing out on pervious climb. Even electric skateboards use this technology. Other inventors are looking at this on trucks but high voltage capacitors are the only thing that can handle it at moment.
More and more Tesla seems like a one trick pony, he might be the first to do something but mostly not the best. I donÂ’t see any cybertrucks on forestry road s yet....
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Fair weather rider
^^I can't argue with most of your post, because I don't have knowledge of the matter.
Unfortunately you spoilt it by the last paragraph stating "Tesla is a one trick pony", and "Tesla doesn't do it best ."
This is just wrong, and this is what catches those who don't understand Teslas mission.
Tesla has created the best EVs and the model Y will most likely pass the humble Toyota Corolla as the most purchased new car in the world 2023, no one else is close on technology, price and margins on each vehicle sold.(by all means buy a cheaper Chinese ev if you want)
Tesla in the first 9 months of this year spent 2.2 billion on research and development across there products, Since the Semi truck was unveiled 5 years ago they would have spent in excess of a billion dollars on research and development on the Tesla Semi truck.
So whatever YouTube experts or smoko room concerns of the Tesla semi has , they would have been analysed, taken apart many times over, by some of the best engineers in the world working for Tesla.
The same engineers that land rockets on boat's in the ocean after delivering payloads to space
Yes Tesla and Space X work with each other sharing resources.
All your concerns and doubts would have been factored in by industry experts working along side these Tesla engineers.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Over a billion dollars and the only real info they willing to release is claimed range and that cab has wireless charging for your phone (presumable do you can phone breakdown service)
The real info that potential customers would want to know is;
LIFECYCLE of battery.
REPLACEMENT cost of battery
TARE weight
Gross combination mass rating
Gross vehicle mass rating.
The last two are exceptionally important as it gives an indication of the trucks service life in any given application. Typically those numbers are 10-30% above local traffic regulations. When Tesla publishes those numbers then they can say they have made a truck. Till then it’s just a show pony for super fans to drool over (real media not allowed at launch)
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Fair weather rider
It you spent billions on R&D would you release your technology to the world for competing manufacturers(China) to copy your design before taking your market share first for your R.O.I.
Once more are built, competitors will buy one and tear it apart to see how it ticks, this won't happen for possibly up to a year, after Tesla has come closer to ramping at fuller scale production.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Woah Elon, back that truck up!!!!
I just did some beer garden maths...
Latest costing per KWh of lithium battery packs is $132 per KWH and assuming that’s USD via google. So a 900kwh battery pack in thectesla semi is worth 132x900= $118,800!!!!
I’ve been looking at electric mountain bikes lately, them and similar devices seem to give the battery pack a life of 500-600 discharge recharge cycles. And that was topnof the line Bosch equipment.
Given that trucks operate in all weather extremes thevice cold of night and the sweltering motorway heat I’d say truck battery packs would be under constant stress especially given the loads asked of them. I’m sure we’ve all experienced the performance drop off in our phone batteries and other stuff over time.
I don’t want to pay 250-300k for a new truck that in three years time needs a part replacement that’s equal to its secondhand value
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Even the Chinese are smart enough not to copy this junk. There’s nothing special in the Tesla design it’s all off the shelf technology excel to for Tesla’s battery management software and even that’s won’t be rocket science (sic).
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Fair weather rider
Your comparing a Tesla battery that can last up to 800,000 kms before replacement to an electric bike battery.
Fair weather rider
And your side of the debate has begun to break down referring to the number 1 selling car in many countries today as junk, and China, still a very poor country that still is a developing nation (or 3rd world economy), a countries main mode of transportation was the bicycle only 2 decades ago... superior in technology to Tesla/U.S?
Your grasping at straws now.
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