Stupid World

[R650R]

But who will eventually get to decide? Outwith the potential resource availability issue, WE will... coz if WE don't/aren't, They will continue to do exactly the same things as that socialist utopia (I speak of transition, not destination) you speak of, because current evidenced reality being the bitch that it is states that half of the people or half of production is required in order for humanity to fluke a future.

The rules and constraints have already been set by our past to current to projected future behaviour. Accept it or leave it up to them to do it their way. This isn't a game that we get to start again... unless some of the "we're here to have a human experience" is true .

So please explain.... half of the population.... on what kind of timeline do we get rid of 3.5 billion people without resorting to a mass culling event of some sort. Half the production is not viable as that instantly means mass starvation and mass unemployment both of which lead to major war or major societal problems.
This is pertinent given that alledgedly there is a climate emergency with no time left to act

[R650R]

So until tesla have their autonomous driving software sorted, and by Teslas own admission, this is quite some way off, then it would be prudent to have a strong focus on resolving the valid concerns being put forwardby the very people driving the vehicles tesla is manufacturing.

You just prompted a thought relating to economic viability.
Many truck drivers load their own trucks (a bit less in USA and uk) and have a vested interest either as owner driver or keeping the boss happy to ensure their unit is fully loaded either by weight or cubic metre volume.
Rail gets away with not loading freight cars to max capacity as it’s no big deal due to shear number s involved. But a Tesla is already 5 ton in areas capacity wise. If this isn’t addressed ultimately the consumer pays more.
Now in a driverless world the customers will just deck load their freight. Your freight will have to have more protective packaging to guard against careless actions of unknown third parties. It will like what you see you with couriers caught treating people’s parcels as soccer balls etc.
Also just as has been well proven over years with rail, unattended freight with no chain of accountability due to too many links in chains theft and damage will be endemic.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla worker's in the U.K/Europe have been testing full self driving for over a year

This is a prelude to an introduction on right hand drive Teslas for FSD on the left side of the road

It's only a matter of time before this is released in NZ and Australia.

[husaberg]

Tesla worker's in the U.K/Europe have been testing full self driving for over a year

This is a prelude to an introduction on right hand drive Teslas for FSD on the left side of the road

It's only a matter of time before this is released in NZ and Australia.

What maters is the time....... So care to name the time and the date, and the Year.
After all you claim have all this inside information and that you know more then Telsa NZ does....

In 2015, billionaire Tesla CEO Elon Musk threw down a gauntlet: By 2018, Tesla's cars would drive themselves — so-called "full autonomy," or "Full Self-Driving" in Tesla jargon.

[mashman]

So please explain.... half of the population.... on what kind of timeline do we get rid of 3.5 billion people without resorting to a mass culling event of some sort. Half the production is not viable as that instantly means mass starvation and mass unemployment both of which lead to major war or major societal problems.
This is pertinent given that alledgedly there is a climate emergency with no time left to act

Ya can't really do half the population quickly given that the logistics of who you really shouldn't kill is mindboggling and really rather important. Anyhoo, why have one person burning out on a job when you can have 2 people fighting for the lions share of the hours that that job will provide and all for the same price?

Your persistent dismissal of half of production is kind of amusing given that we produce enough to feed 10 billion people, with money being the factor preventing access to that production i.e. we have everything we need. You've mentioned Klaus in the past. If you understood his financial economics in any way shape or form, outwith yer malthusian fear porn, it would be blindingly obvious that he is going after half of production because he knows that the basics can be provided for for for approximately 10 billion so long as no one goes anywhere or does anything other than work and spend money on bills... which the vast majority are already doing. I get his economics, because they need to go to many of the same places that "my" financial economics have to go to in order to hit the all important point i.e. sustainablility.

Look, that's just the way the evidence rolls outwith echo chambers of bullshit (biased human opinion that reckon we'll all die if we concentrate of providing the basics instead of the bullshit) financial economics that NEVER add the finite planet into their equations as it makes ALL of their financial economics fail... and if you're not doing that in a time of unsustainability, then by definition those echo chamber chants are nothing more than cries for fantasy. Really really ironic, and all printed in black and white and enshrined in modern day financial economics that no one can be bothered learning about with a finite planet involved.

[R650R]

Ya can't really do half the population quickly given that the logistics of who you really shouldn't kill is mindboggling and really rather important. Anyhoo, why have one person burning out on a job when you can have 2 people fighting for the lions share of the hours that that job will provide and all for the same price?

approximately 10 billion so long as no one goes anywhere or does anything other than work and spend money on bills... which the vast majority are already doing.

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Thanks for agreeing that the transition to half population is an unworkable premise due to morals and ethics issues such an act would be no matter how long the timeline.
Two people do half the job of one but each paid ones original money would cause massive price inflation due to extra cash injection needed for this. Even under a communist regime this kind of helicopter money would be destructive. Sadly it’s tsken Jackie girl about five years to work that out all at our expense.

If I don’t go anywhere other than work and pay bills why would I even go to work cause a good socialist regime would give me a minimum universal income anyway. That concept would kill all motivation and innovation in society forever.
If you look at poverty stricken third world countries (that will be the 3.5 billion klaus days already live going nowhere except work) what do we see. I’ll tell you what we see, a meaningless existance that no person currently enjoying the fruits of western society wants.

[mashman]

Thanks for agreeing that the transition to half population is an unworkable premise due to morals and ethics issues such an act would be no matter how long the timeline.
Two people do half the job of one but each paid ones original money would cause massive price inflation due to extra cash injection needed for this. Even under a communist regime this kind of helicopter money would be destructive. Sadly it’s tsken Jackie girl about five years to work that out all at our expense.

If I don’t go anywhere other than work and pay bills why would I even go to work cause a good socialist regime would give me a minimum universal income anyway. That concept would kill all motivation and innovation in society forever.
If you look at poverty stricken third world countries (that will be the 3.5 billion klaus days already live going nowhere except work) what do we see. I’ll tell you what we see, a meaningless existance that no person currently enjoying the fruits of western society wants.

No problem. I tried to keep to morals out of it and simply call them logistics.
That's not what I said. I was highlighting that from a Klaus perspective, there will be 1 job thjat pays 1 wage for that job. 2 people, at least, will fight over the lions share of hours for that job. No new money, no nothing. Keep up... if you can

It would kill motivation and non-sanctioned innovation forever, I agree (and it's coming lol). But at least you'd be alive, and as you wouldn't be able to do anything about things being the way things are, you'd be happy about it right? as opposed to living an life of misery that is.
Your world is unsustainable because it has looted, and continues to loot, third world resources (centuries of it to build the western world). You're advocating to keep it that way by stating that you want no part of what has to happen in order to get to sustainability... something completely contradictory to what the evidence states needs to happen. Also, too many current jobs are already meaningless, as well as being counter productive in terms of sustainability. Do you have any logical points to raise or did you drink too much koolaid fear porn?

[R650R]

No problem. I tried to keep to morals out of it and simply call them logistics.
That's not what I said. I was highlighting that from a Klaus perspective, there will be 1 job thjat pays 1 wage for that job. 2 people, at least, will fight over the lions share of hours for that job. No new money, no nothing. Keep up... if you can

It would kill motivation and non-sanctioned innovation forever, I agree (and it's coming lol). But at least you'd be alive, and as you wouldn't be able to do anything about things being the way things are, you'd be happy about it right? as opposed to living an life of misery that is.
Your world is unsustainable because it has looted, and continues to loot, third world resources (centuries of it to build the western world). You're advocating to keep it that way by stating that you want no part of what has to happen in order to get to sustainability... something completely contradictory to what the evidence states needs to happen. Also, too many current jobs are already meaningless, as well as being counter productive in terms of sustainability. Do you have any logical points to raise or did you drink too much koolaid fear porn?

I hope you realise that our looting of third world countries has contributed greatly to mans greatest gift to humanity. Mass industrial agriculture bought a massive rise in global population from 2 billion to 7 billion in a short time frame. Giving people life who might otherwise have never been born. In fact some countries might have been destroyed in war with neighboring countries over food wars without it.
Fear pirn.. we’ve had well over 30 years of propoganda and nothing of significance has changed in sea level or climate outside of normal cycles

[mashman]

I hope you realise that our looting of third world countries has contributed greatly to mans greatest gift to humanity. Mass industrial agriculture bought a massive rise in global population from 2 billion to 7 billion in a short time frame. Giving people life who might otherwise have never been born. In fact some countries might have been destroyed in war with neighboring countries over food wars without it.
Fear pirn.. we’ve had well over 30 years of propoganda and nothing of significance has changed in sea level or climate outside of normal cycles

. You're a part of the right brain/left brain crew aintcha? You're not paying attention. The entire planet was a borderless garden of plenty that sustained unlimited populations of whatever animals chose to grow for the billions of years before man. You're justifying destroying that to the point of massive overshoot, as well as the genocide of far more civilised nations, by claiming that that butchery brought us something. IT lost us far more if todays human wannabes are anything to go by. People made shit happen that made others rich simply because they funded it, is not progress when it limits the technology that can be applied... doubly so when poor efficiency is sought out to grow the number of humans to get them into jobs that should never have existed in the first place.............. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn... that's the way it ios today.
I agree, there has been a fuckload of propaganda along the lines of what our climate is doing. However we did the sea level thing. If levels haven't moved, then there's more water in the ocean given that the earth expands. Levels should have been falling if your argument is to hold any water... but again, left brain right brain people don't deal with reality, only their own limited perception of it .
Money is not a pre-requisite for cooperation. That you think it is imperative demonstrates your bias. I can see whay you would think that it is though, because everyone else does too... and therein lies the dichotomy. Sit safe with the numbers or face reality with God at your back.

"Before our white brothers came to civilize us we had no jails. Therefore we had no criminals. You can't have criminals without a jail. We had no locks or keys, and so we had no thieves. If a man was so poor that he had no horse, tipi or blanket, someone gave him these things. We were too uncivilized to set much value on personal belongings. We wanted to have things only in order to give them away. We had no money, and therefore a man's worth couldn't be measured by it. We had no written law, no attorneys or politicians, therefore we couldn't cheat. We really were in a bad way before the white men came, and I don't know how we managed to get along without these basic things which, we are told, are absolutely necessary to make a civilized society." - John Lame Deer

[sugilite:Me]

So the cops number 1 suspect for stalking musk is a member of his own security team, you can't make this shit up
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...alker-incident

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So the cops number 1 suspect for stalking musk is a member of his own security team, you can't make this shit up
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...alker-incident

Mainstream media make alot of shit up.

How else are the going to get you to click on the article,by telling the truth? ..

[F5 Dave]

I hear they faked the moon landing. I mean did you see the flag? Obviously CIA signalling. Yeah.

[R650R]

. You're a part of the right brain/left brain crew aintcha? You're not paying attention. The entire planet was a borderless garden of plenty that sustained unlimited populations of whatever animals chose to grow for the billions of years before man. You're justifying destroying that to the point of massive overshoot, as well as the genocide of far more civilised nations, by claiming that that butchery brought us something. IT lost us far more if todays human wannabes are anything to go by. People made shit happen that made others rich simply because they funded it, is not progress when it limits the technology that can be applied... doubly so when poor efficiency is sought out to grow the number of humans to get them into jobs that should never have existed in the first place.............. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn... that's the way it ios today.
I agree, there has been a fuckload of propaganda along the lines of what our climate is doing. However we did the sea level thing. If levels haven't moved, then there's more water in the ocean given that the earth expands. Levels should have been falling if your argument is to hold any water... but again, left brain right brain people don't deal with reality, only their own limited perception of it .
Money is not a pre-requisite for cooperation. That you think it is imperative demonstrates your bias. I can see whay you would think that it is though, because everyone else does too... and therein lies the dichotomy. Sit safe with the numbers or face reality with God at your back.

"Before our white brothers came to civilize us we had no jails. Therefore we had no criminals. You can't have criminals without a jail. We had no locks or keys, and so we had no thieves. If a man was so poor that he had no horse, tipi or blanket, someone gave him these things. We were too uncivilized to set much value on personal belongings. We wanted to have things only in order to give them away. We had no money, and therefore a man's worth couldn't be measured by it. We had no written law, no attorneys or politicians, therefore we couldn't cheat. We really were in a bad way before the white men came, and I don't know how we managed to get along without these basic things which, we are told, are absolutely necessary to make a civilized society." - John Lame Deer

While that last quote sounds terribly romantic I think you’ll find all Iindigenous cultures/races experienced inter tribal warfare or other such problems.
On our local cycle trail there’s is a site that was the scene of such drama. It seems one chap wasn’t so keen on collecting his own seaafood so he stole it from a rival tribe. Much blood was shed, sometime before the white man ever came.
Ancient people needed no jails as generally you chopped off heads or handsome etc, repeat offending was therefore quite rare. We still see such practices today in Middle East and you can’t say they’ve been colonised by the White man....

[pritch]

Ancient people needed no jails as generally you chopped off heads or handsome etc, repeat offending was therefore quite rare. We still see such practices today in Middle East and you can’t say they’ve been colonised by the White man....

True. In the Middle East today though such practices are not inflicted on Arabs. The main event in the market square on Fridays is the lopping off of limbs of immigrant workers. People from the Phillipines, Bangladesh and Pakistan featuring.

[mashman]

While that last quote sounds terribly romantic I think you’ll find all Iindigenous cultures/races experienced inter tribal warfare or other such problems.
On our local cycle trail there’s is a site that was the scene of such drama. It seems one chap wasn’t so keen on collecting his own seaafood so he stole it from a rival tribe. Much blood was shed, sometime before the white man ever came.
Ancient people needed no jails as generally you chopped off heads or handsome etc, repeat offending was therefore quite rare. We still see such practices today in Middle East and you can’t say they’ve been colonised by the White man....

Absolutely, we have a bloody past that still continues too. Even still, the writing of most indigenous takeovers generally involves the genocide taking place of a peaceful people i.e. peaceful to them and happy to trade etc... but not to submit to the crown etc... Why would the winners of history not give those people a bloody past, paint them as savages to justify stealing the land that they belonged to.
Yes, some cultures did/do indeed kill people who committed crimes that weren't tolerated by society... most of them are the richest countries in the world today. Wonder how they got that way.
C'mon, really, that's your last bastion of argument? They indigenous got what they deserved? I think you'll find the vast majority of the claim of savagery more projected Fear Porn than the actual way of life you seem to be making out to be.

Edity: and those countries are also among the greatest unsustainable nations in the world.