Stupid World

[sugilite:Me]

Yep, I can see all the farmers lining up to trade in their rangers for the model Y
Napkin economics mixed with toilet paper logic.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Wowsers I just blew everyone's mind on this biker site...

[nerrrd]

I'm noticing a lot of Teslas on the roads already up here.

By the time I can afford an electric car, no doubt the subsidies and RUC exemptions will have been removed and the electricity companies will be behaving just like the oil companies do now.

Having said that, I'll need something with a removable battery to be able to charge at home, so it's unlikely to be a car anyway.

[pritch]

The big auto manufacturers are not going to sit back and watch Tesla.

And then there's this...

[Hoonicorn]

Yep, I can see all the farmers lining up to trade in their rangers for the model Y
Napkin economics mixed with toilet paper logic.

Telsa's ute is the Cyber Truck, which has 3 million pre-orders. With pressure on farmers to reduce their emissions, many won't have a choice in 5-10 years, it will be an electric "something".

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yep, I can see all the farmers lining up to trade in their rangers for the model Y
Napkin economics mixed with toilet paper logic.

Are you referring to the tens of thousands of Farmer Kens and Karens that live in central Auckland , driving SUV trucks and farm designer underwear?

[Hoonicorn]

The big auto manufacturers are not going to sit back and watch Tesla.

And then there's this...

And Ford dropped almost 20% this month too. The main thing keeping companies like Ford afloat are their old gas guzzlers and are only now making EVs because of political pressure. Should we just buy petrol cars until Ford can get their act together can catch up to Tesla? Support the same car makers that had decades to make EVs mainstream but didn't Why exactly, for a grudge or luddite thinking?

[nerrrd]

And Ford dropped almost 20% this month too. The main thing keeping companies like Ford afloat are their old gas guzzlers and are only now making EVs because of political pressure. Should we just buy petrol cars until Ford can get their act together can catch up to Tesla? Support the same car makers that had decades to make EVs mainstream but didn't Why exactly, for a grudge or luddite thinking?

Is luddite the right analogy? There's a lot more technology in efficient modern combustion engines than in the average electric motor, which is probably why companies like Ford are trying to get as much return on their existing R and D investment for as long as they can.

Economies of scale is what made cars affordable for the masses, I can understand them needing to wait until the demand has reached a certain level before making the transition.

[R650R]

This thread has gone astray. I suggest fanboy goes and starts a Tesla semi truck thread so we can keep a tab on all things it doesn’t end up delivering on....
The car version is what it is an all ev cars are prob fine for a lot of people who don’t travel much.
Bit the truck version suffers majorly in efficiency in times of driver shortage and lack of capacity in industry, even getting people to handle freight at either ends is serious problem.
Covid disruption to the freight industry should have sounded alarm bells about while concept of electric vehicle freight systems.
Just imagine a disaster where major transmission lines are cut. At least with petroleum products energy density it’s easy to airdrop supplies in of fuel. I don’t see lithium battery packs surviving a parachute drop out back of a C130 Hercules.

[R650R]

Most if is who are not fans of being forced into EV world aren’t luddites or anti anything.

We are just Pro freedom of movement. Electric will never fully compete on range and speed of refueling. I love the massive flat torque curve and perfect traction control EV will offer but petroleum products allow average joe to travel anywhere anytime in this world.

[husaberg]

Yep, I can see all the farmers lining up to trade in their rangers for the model Y
Napkin economics mixed with toilet paper logic.

Not only that he Despite claiming he's comparing purchase and running costs he then goers adds in estimated fuel savings and takes it off the finance cost
then goes and adds fuel to the price of a ranger without doing the same for the teslas charging. nor the cost of installing chargers in their home
That is yokel math on used toilet paper.
he also doesn't include the trade in at the end what's that teslsa with its aging near end of life battery going to be worth compared to a ranger.

not only that he makes claims of 30% profit margins
sounds excellent as Toyota is only 19%
but the issue is this claim of Telsa is Gross margin its main propped up with the subsidies and emission credits it received these are now largely stopping. As other companies make competing vehicles

esla’s regulatory credit business model
Since Tesla receives all these regulatory credits for free, it can essentially sell them for a 100% profit. This has been behind its recent profitable quarters.
Tesla relies on large automakers to purchase credits from it.
One example is Stellantis, a company formed through the merger of France’s PSA Group and Italy’s Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. Stellantis bought about 2 billion euros ($2.43 billion) of European and U.S. green credits from Tesla between 2019 and 2021, according to Reuters.
But Carlos Tavares, the CEO of Stellantis, said in an interview with French publication Le Point, that the company could meet emissions targets this year.
That means it would no longer need to buy credits from companies like Tesla,

It also excludes the fact that up until now they enjoyed little competition that has changes they also enjoyed a perceived premium based on the Made in US
this now will stopped as the car made in China doesn't have the same allure....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Some basic napkin numbers

New Ford Ranger 70k

Finance 380 per week over 5 years
Fuel 160 per week

-$540 PW

Vs

Tesla Model Y 76k

Down payment $7825 (sell your car for scrap metal)

Tesla finance @8.15% 5years

$270 per week including estimated fuel savings, government EV discount

...it's already happening.

These are basic napkin numbers but should be fairly close, this is why I believe 1 in every 3 cars in NZ will be a Tesla from 2027.

Which is why Tesla is building more giga factories around the world to keep up with supply and demand.

I'm also not adding in that Tesla's don't require annual or servicing intervals

And if you haven't upgraded your Tesla after it's paid off, you now have a mode of transport that doesn't require fuel so your transport costs fall to about 20 bucks a week , where as your pre historic Ford Ranger will probably cost $200 PW on fuel in 5 years to own plus the on going cost of repairing an internal combustion engine!

Your Tesla battery is designed to last 800,000 Kms.

It's like living in a mortgage free home after 5 years!

[husaberg]

Your Tesla battery is designed to last 800,000 Kms.

You are confusing a Elon musk claims with reality.

Teslas battery warranty Tesla only guarantees 70 percent battery retention during the covered period
Model S/Model X Warranty: These models are covered by an 8-year/150,000-mile warranty, whichever comes first.
Model Y/Model 3 Short Range Warranty: The short-range variants of these models are covered for 8 years/100,000 miles.
Model Y/Model 3 Long Range Warranty: The long-range variants are covered for 8 years/120,000 miles.


ie if its not less than 30 degraded it is not covered.
even if its cover telsa reserves the right not to replace it with new one but they can replace it with lesser standard or secondhand one.
they even reserve the right of how to test the battery without even naming it....

For warranty claims specific to Battery capacity, the replacement Battery will be in a condition appropriate to the age and mileage of the vehicle sufficient to achieve or exceed the minimum Battery capacity for the remainder of the warranty period of the original Battery. Note that the vehicle's range estimates are an imperfect measure of Battery capacity because they are affected by additional factors separate from Battery capacity. The measurement method used to determine Battery capacity, and the decision of whether to repair, replace or provide reconditioned or re-manufactured parts, and the condition of any such replaced, reconditioned or re-manufactured parts are at the sole discretion of Tesla.”

these battery quality and warrantee issues will be interesting to track as so many now will be made in China.

[mashman]

This thread has gone astray.

No it hasn't, there's some serious QED going on.

[pritch]

You are confusing a Elon musk claims with reality.

Many people are. Musk makes many predictions some of which may eventuate but many more don't. His clown show at Twitter should have killed off the "genus" tag forever.