Fair weather rider
BYD best selling car is not a full EV like the Toyota PriusOriginally Posted by george formby
The Rest of the world will not buy a Chinese designed product over a western designed product.
Apple will always dominate the smart phone over its Asian designed rivals.
Anorak
tell us about telsa tires why were these not in your running cost
After all as a self proclaimed tesla expert we would expect you to know these things.
Tesla car tires don’t come cheap. They are significantly more expensive compared to standard car tires. Besides, they tend to wear out faster, compared to conventional similar-sized tires, meaning their replacement costs can add up quite fast.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Fair weather rider
Tesla was the most sold new car in NZ last month EV or ICE vehicle, if they could keep up with supply and demand Tesla would have been the number 1 selling car in all NZ for 2022
It's priced for the upper middle class, Musk has said Tesla will lower the purchase price, and stated they will cut some profit margins in , which they have the largest in all the automotive manufacturing of 30% to take a larger market share of the world's "NEW" car market in the coming 2023 recession while smaller manufacturers go bankrupt from producing and selling there EVs at a loss.
This will happen in 2023 when prices are lowered & more right hand drive Teslas are produced
Understand how economies of scale work and you will understand whats about to happen to the automotive industry in NZ.
Your denying facts and your in denial because you represent the horse shoe maker complaining about this new fancy expensive Ford model T that believe will never replace the horse and cart ... How'd that work out?
Forum whore
"Hold my beer" - Soichiro Honda.
Manopausal.
Fair weather rider
Understanding economies of scale
Tesla has been through the pain of near bankruptcy the past decade plus
Many new EV manufacturers are already selling their EVs at a loss
Many traditional auto manufacturers rely on their prehistoric ice vehicles to subsidize their EVs that sell at a loss
There are dark clouds forming in the world economy for 2023
Tesla is the most capilized and has 20billion in free cash and low to no debt
Tesla will announce their new Giga factory soon, then announce another location possibly in the Americas, and another location possibly in Asia and then Europe & so on and so on...
Tesla has the ability to rape and pillage it's competition in a deep recession and dominant the automotive world much earlier than Musks prediction of 2030.
Fair weather rider
I love classic Honda's, beautiful bikes.
I love classic cars like Monaros & Mustangs, beautiful cars.
I think horses are beautiful creatures.
But they no longer represent the majority of there form of transport any longer
They represent a by gone era of how the world used to be...
(I also hear they are designing the final fully powered CBR1000 after emissions laws will no longer allow for any further power enhancement on road legal bikes)
Fair weather rider
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Highway Biker
I see a post saying "This thread has gone astray" it's funny how people keep moving the goal posts. But I've skimmed over some points that have been made and here's my reply to them
1. Tires:Tesla vehicles are equipped with extraordinarily excellent tires, which is extremely vital in electric vehicles. Officially, the tires installed at the factory on Tesla cars have a life expectancy of around 30,000 miles. After everything is said and done, owners have reported satisfactory tread depth even after more than 40,000 miles. Tesla tires have a practical lifetime of 20,000 to 40,000 miles, depending on use.
You don't have to fit Tesla tires to a Tesla when it comes to replacement.
2. Battery quality and range: Tesla is the industry leader in battery technology, other brands fall well behind and their range claims are often over stated. Tesla also has a world leading charge network. Tesla is a technology company, that happens to produce cars. The newest developments in Sodium Ion batteries show promise, cheaper, safer batteries that hold 90% more charge in freezing temps.
3. Being a Luddite: Tesla is a technology company, they are in the business of energy storage ie: batteries. Cars is part of that business as they are a practical application of Teslas world-class battery technology. Any arguments for ICE engines is irrelevant as these won't be produced within the next 5-10 years — move with the times.
4. The Cyber truck: This out-classes every competitor in the EV market.
5. The Truck: again, this is a technical challenge, applying advanced battery technology to make trucks electric. The same challenge existed for planes but guess what? We're seeing electric planes coming to NZ very soon. The old fallacy of "It can't be done yet, so it can never be done so why even try?" is more luddite thinking. Innovative companies like Tesla showed the world that EV cars can be made practical and now the rest of the car industry is following (rather sluggishly). So again, why are you championing companies that have lagged behind instead of the innovator who showed the world what's possible?
6. Cheap Chinese competition: Build Your Dreams or BYD is popular is China because, like Americans, Chinese buy local first. As for in Europe, Tesla opened a new factory in Europe in 2022, but reports are that production was limited due to China's Covid restrictions freezing Teslas production of batteries from their China factory. Telsa's model Y is still the second highest selling EV in Europe behind the much cheaper Fiat 500.
7. Share price: The market is down, recessions happen. Share price for Tesla is down because they are also a tech company not just a car company. Elon has cashed in to ensure the company has financial reserves to see it through a recession — clever thinking. Tesla world wide have increased sales by over 220% with projected growth of 20% per year — even in a recession — as demand for EVs continues to grow.
Seems to me that most of the argument here is "what can I find on the internet that supports my point of view?" so if you hate Tesla or battery electric vehicles or Elon Musk, just say so and let everyone move on to stupid world posts again.
Forum whore
Ok, then. Stupid world it is.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2251211.html
Manopausal.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
HEhe 😂 10/10
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Tesla is not an expert at battery technology.
They are world leaders though in BUYING battery cells from Panasonic.
Tesla is the craft beer of the automotive world, jizzing into someone else’s pint putting a hipster name on it and then chargectwuce the price so it’s special.
Tesla will not say it’s tare weight. The number one thing a trucking company’s owner wants to know for calculating bottom line. And that cab is bare bones despite the side fairings making it look like sleeper cab.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Fair weather rider
Not much to debunk here, as the debate has resorted to the standard leftists ideology of name calling when they run out of ammunition losing the debate.
"Arrogant prick" from our ideologically progressive soon to be former prime minister sound familiar?
Capitalism truly is only for smart people.
Anorak
Tesla's 8.9% decline Thursday and 2.2% loss early Friday brought its year-to-date drop to 69.7%.
The Texas-headquartered automaker’s 2022 losses far surpass those of major stock indexes, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average down 9.2% over 2022, while the S&P 500 and tech-heavy Nasdaq are down 19.9% and 33.7%, respectively.
Even bitcoin has performed better than Tesla shares
The Federal Reserve’s most aggressive interest rate hikes in decades set forth the broader market selloff this year as investors pile into safer assets less affected by higher borrowing costs. Musk has largely attributed the sharp decline in Tesla share prices to these rate hikes.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Forum whore
That's debatable. Strikes me it's capitalism which has created the necessity for low / zero emissions in the first place.
Manopausal.
Fair weather rider
The Tesla share price has nothing to do with the business financial fundamentals of the company
Unless they wanted to sell shares to stay afloat
Which they won't as they have low to no debt and sit on 20 billion in cash, and have clearly stated they will buy back shares of the company possibly in 2023.
Bitcoin has no business fundamentals besides who's willing to pay more or less for it
This is how the sharemarket works, ups and downs, not everyone or company will survive an economic storm.
You know how I know all this shit?
Because I don't read mainstream media headlines on Tesla, I read the Tesla quarterly financial report...and that's all that matters , not the value of how much your willing to pay to own a slice of the company or a house etc.
I owned shares of Tesla long before I bought my first Tesla.
Hasenburger, could you stop copying and pasting a Google search, it makes you sound dumber than you probably are and it's wasting valuable debunking time.
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