My point exactly ... especially when some answer YES (by default) to both questions ... regardless of circumstance.Originally Posted by mashman
Smarty pants... since ages ago
My point exactly ... especially when some answer YES (by default) to both questions ... regardless of circumstance.
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
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We are allowed to do what we want, hence punishment after the fact unless ya can get away with it. Mates in high places etc...
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Yes, Radical left-wing ideologues do hold such power...
Now, I can partially agree that the Social Construct is wrong - since I don't ascribe to that theory.
I have wrapped my head around their argument and rationale for it. If you hold their presuppositions to be true, then advocacy for Pedophilia is a logical end-point. It's also a really good demonstration as to why their presuppositions aren't correct.
And again - if you want to claim this isn't a Left or right thing - I'll ask you this: Can you show me a recognized Conservative or Right Wing type who is openly advocating for Pedophile rights?
The closest I can think of, off the top of my head, would be Milo Yianoppolous when he discussed his experience in the Gay Community and that he thought it was a net good for him. Even then, that is not in the same league as what the Radical Left wing types are pushing for - I again point you to the list I provided:
- Founder of NAMBLA
- Alfred Kinsey
- Every French Marxist philosopher/post modernist of the 20th century
Sure - but then, they aren't protected Academics... are they?
Plenty of Right wing commentators have been pushing the opposition to this publicly. I mean - Libs of TikTok is famous for simply reposting the insane ramblings of the most radical of radical left wingers and exposing them to a wider conservative audience who are rightly horrified at it.
That they aren't getting the Mainstream Media attention that would eventually cause it to pass in front of you is yet more proof of which side the Media are on.
Free Will and Corruption covers it at the individual level - sure.
That also applies to many things that are still very much shunned and taboo and do not have an Advocacy group.
There's no one saying 'Instead of Murderer, could we call them 'Overpopulation Compliance Officers'?.
So it isn't the end of the Story.
Whereas when you've read enough Neo-Marxist nonsense, you realize that it is a manifestation of the deepest problem that is nestled at the heart of radical Leftism:
"I want to be able to do anything I want, and anything that stops me from doing that is oppression"
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Also they can’t stand anyone else having more than them or being more successful except for whoever their surpreme idol or ruler is. This is opposite to right wing and free market where you cherish success and instead think how can I work smarter to get to that goal.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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Not without the rest of their parliaments they don't.
There is no rationale for their argument, because the end-point is legalisation for paedophilia... whereas abuse of power keeps 'em safe
Didn't say they were... that's the lawyers job based on the law that governments allow.
Aye, Libs of Tiktok was banned from Twitter for pointing out those very things. Plenty of left wing people saying the same too. Almost as if it has nothing to do with things being left or right, because no cunt has been asked yet, yet directives of pretty hefty weight have been rammed through by both sides. But no, it's the left.
Yes there is/was/will be. Almost can't believe I have to type this, but here: Murder. Manslaughter. and whatever 3rd degree is. There are other classifications of the same thing that carry different punishments based on how skillful the lawyer is, not how guilty the cunt is. End of story.
Glad not everyone shares such a fucked up opinion of reality.
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... best utopian speech yet...
The Majestic Metal Wizard
And the Civil service, and the Media, and the Education system, and the Health care system and...
Except they don't want Abuse of Power, they want revolution.
At least someone who is abusing power has a degree of Honesty about them: The Rich person bribing someone is far more honest than a MAPS advocate...
All of this activism comes from the Radical Left. I mean, why was Libs of Tiktok banned under the old regime? According to Wikipedia, it's for being Anti-LGBTQI+... Which says a lot doesn't it about that line of activism if showing people promoting pedophilia is considered Anti-LGBTQI+....
Now, sure there are moderate left-wing types that are against this, there are moderate left-wing types that are curiously silent on this - however - the actual advocacy is entirely from the radical left wing.
Show me a right wing commentator or philosopher advocating for Pedophiles and I'll concede this point. But I doubt you can - whereas I've listed multiple examples to the contrary.
Except those are well established and understood - no one is trying to redefine those things to increase public acceptance. The distinction between Murder and Manslaughter is over 2000 years old.
The distinction drawn here is between someone who intended to kill (Murder), Someone who didn't necessarily intend to kill, but did something monumentally stupid that resulted in death (Manslaughter) and someone who had a really bad day whilst under the influence and accidentally killed someone (3rd degree).
Philosophical - the difference is the intent of the perpetrator and whether or not sufficient intent can be proved by the state.
This is not an issue based in pure Power Dynamics.
Y'know... When I wrote that, I had a feeling you might bite and take umbrage with that line....
"I want to be able to do anything I want, and Lack of Money that stops me from doing that is oppression"
Indeed, not everyone shares such a fucked up opinion of reality NOW....
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
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Yes, that's how things tend to progress once they become legal, not before.
No power no safety. That much such be self evident by now.
They're both honest and legal until they're not. Thought isn't the crime.
Doing nothing about it is worse than advocacy. Get it yet?
But they did.
Umbrage lol. You clearly have no idea. No, it was the fucked up generalisation that 650 then QED'd that I was highlighting. It is what it demonstrates itself to be. The competitive see everything as a competition and therefore those who can't compete, choose not to compete, are just jealous no matter their reasoning. Fuckloads of dipshits on here chosen that head in the sand bullshit. Your projections are noted, and summarily laughed at. Umbrage. Fuck you have tickets on yerself dontcha. I thought you might have gotten over that by NOW.
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Envy one of the seven deadly sins... for a reason.
Competitive is prob the wrong word, aspirational would be better.
You can aspire to be better while hoping those around you see the same path. Those that don’t, a small few might be jealous, many prob to stoned or addicted to alcohol and tv to dream of anything better.
In your socialist utopia would Hillary have climbed Everest or would that have been a selfish wanton waste of resources?
Would we be allowed to own four horses to pull our potato cart or only one?
Would Burt Munroe be allowed to fly all way to America and race his fossil fuelled monster across a pristine natural salt lake bed?
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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It is... but that reason isn't because one is too left.
No, competitive is the Right word.
lol@capitalists blaming jealousy for the externalities of their behaviour. "We're dying because you steal our resources and ruin our economies", "No you're not, you're dying because you're lazy and jealous." Sad. As. Fuck. Evidence not in your favour? then everyone else must be jealous for not doing what you did to become, erm, what? Successful at any cost?
OFFS it's TDL shit comparison time.
Yes Hilary would have climbed a mountain.
Yes take as many horses as you need.
Of course Burt coulda flown his bike somewhere to race it and then back again.
Still deriding what ya willfully choose not to understand eh... hardly surprising you think everyone's jealous that hasn't 'made it'.
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There's no such thing as as 'freak' weather any more - and 2023 already looks like a disaster movie...
Weather natural of whether human driven, our economy is not equipped to deal with either. It's not a left thing, it's not a right thing, it's just a fact that the climate changes and we're woefully unprepared for it on almost every front. But you can't handle that for some reason. Ever ask yourself why. Starts with Ind, ends with octrination. I'd say give it some thought, but the satire just builds.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Again, the reason I know about this - is that there's a lot of push back against this.
A Lot - all coming from the Conservative side. If you've not seen it - that's a you problem - I've pointed to one fairly well-known source (Libs of TikTok) and how popular they are.
I mean, if there's anyone to be condemned as doing nothing - it's the moderate left.
The 'redefinition' as you say has survived so long because it's plainly obvious that someone who intends to kill someone else has committed a more grevious act than one who has caused another to die.
Oh, but I do have an idea.
If people choose not to compete - that's their business, however when they make that choice and still demand the glories of success at competition - then it's an issue.
The irony here - is that you believe in one theory, that has the same philosophical roots as the theories you are arguing against.
You condemn one as evil (rightly so) but believe the other to be not only just, but necessary.
Whereas I condemn both of them as dangerous idealism.
The RBE enthusiast who says they are oppressed because of society and a lack of money is working under the same paradigm as the pedophile who says they are oppressed because society won't let them fuck children.
Again - there was a reason why I phrased it that way because I knew you'd take the bait - then I just did the ol' switcheroo, Money for Children. You can see the Immorality for one, but not the other.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
Burt preferred the boat it was cheaper, plus he had more time to find female company
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
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Doing nothing (as evidenced since forever) = trying to lay some form of blame at the door of the left or right for issue that are outwith any political spectrum. That's the problem. It's a obvious as day. Yet you still miss it and go left or right like some fucking loon. Interesting.
If it was that obvious, why the need for the reclassifcations when sentencing will have taken those things into account. No question mark, because I've told you why already, you simply don't like that more than well evidenced and demonstrated fact. Interesting.
To all intents and purpose I designed what I know. So when I say you clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about, you should trust me on that. Yet you don't. Interesting.
WTF? If people choose not to compete they shouldn't be penalised the way that they are... especially when jobs aren't provided at salaries that keep up anywhere near with the cost of living. What a bullshit argument. Interesting.
I can handle dichotomy and know why the dichotomy exists that you see. By your own admission you say that you don't see it in any other way thatn the ways you outline. You then decide that there can be no other way to see it. Interesting.
That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard of in my entire life. And I mean that most sincerely.
OMG you truly are a fucking idiot. The ignore list beckons, and I could save myself the followup reading, but I'll read it one more time and then leave you to your exceptionally well evidenced delusions. You thinking that you know what I mean whilst admitting you don't in the same breath shows just how fucked in the head you still are.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
So, if it's not a partisan issue - show me the Right Winger advocating for this.
You cannot.
You're trying to distance it from the clear ideological angle because I think you know it cuts just a little too close to home.
Because the Judge is not the finder of Fact, the Jury is. That's why.
There, simple explanation.
No one is penalizing them (if anything, they are being incentivized...).
People are making choices, choices have consequences.
Now, don't get me wrong - plenty we could talk about in terms of Costs of Compliance, Government spending, excessive Tax Burdens, the costs of Green 'initiatives' etc. etc.
But you'll note, I don't frame the issue in the way you do - and that will become important later...
I don't see it any other way because I've read the philosophy that drives it.
They (the Academics that have pushed for this) have outright said why they are doing it, yet when I point this out, somehow it's me that is delusional? As you say... Interesting.
Of course, to you it's absurd.
That's actually the whole point - you don't realize how much common ground you share with these people...
Let me show you what I mean...
I didn't need to change much... did I?
I could take that sentence and change the wording to make it about the Trans issue ("If people choose to change their gender they shouldn't be penalised the way that they are")
or I could make it about Privilege ("If people choose to acknowledge their privilege they shouldn't be penalised the way that they are")
or Climate Change ("If people choose to block traffic to save the planet they shouldn't be penalised the way that they are")
And so on and so forth.
It's the same underlying, resentful idea, repackaged to suit whatever grievance is being manipulated.
Here's the thing Mashman - you've correctly identified that what is happening is wrong. I've noticed in some other posts of late that you've made that you've noticed some other things are wrong as well. You are a devotee of RBEs, yet, you seem to be opposed to the things like the WEF and I assume digital currency/social credit systems.
You are at a philosophical cross-roads.
I'm being deliberately provocative to push you to the ultimate extreme of both beliefs - they cannot co-exist - to see where you come out the other side (if you come out at all).
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
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