Stupid World

[mashman]

Yup, ignore it is.

So, if it's not a partisan issue - show me the Right Winger advocating for this.

You cannot.

You're trying to distance it from the clear ideological angle because I think you know it cuts just a little too close to home.

I've told you. Those who did nothing about Saville, Glitter, Andrew etc... despite the evidence throught the years spanning all governments. That's left and right in case you can't count as well as not be able to think. I'd say get it yet, but you clearly can't.

Because the Judge is not the finder of Fact, the Jury is. That's why.

There, simple explanation.

I never said anything about a judge or jury or how justice was passed down outwith sentences varied based on mitigating circumstances. Seriously. Lean how to read what others mean, it's far easier.

No one is penalizing them (if anything, they are being incentivized...).

People are making choices, choices have consequences.

Now, don't get me wrong - plenty we could talk about in terms of Costs of Compliance, Government spending, excessive Tax Burdens, the costs of Green 'initiatives' etc. etc.

But you'll note, I don't frame the issue in the way you do - and that will become important later...

I think, sure, continue being an ignorant fuck, covers that lot.

I don't see it any other way because I've read the philosophy that drives it.

They (the Academics that have pushed for this) have outright said why they are doing it, yet when I point this out, somehow it's me that is delusional? As you say... Interesting.

Of course you don't. You can't. You keep proving that over and over and over again, look, this will become important NOW

Of course, to you it's absurd.

That's actually the whole point - you don't realize how much common ground you share with these people...

Let me show you what I mean...

I do you realise that though you fucking idiot. I have always have been fully aware that what I know can being used to feather the nests of a few over the nests of all. You stupid stupid one eyed simpletion ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa. You clearly know nothing of what I think. QED ad infinitum... and yet you persist. Choice bro... or perhaps, that's interesting (nah, that's the definition of idiocy).

I didn't need to change much... did I?

I could take that sentence and change the wording to make it about the Trans issue ("If people choose to change their gender they shouldn't be penalised the way that they are")
or I could make it about Privilege ("If people choose to acknowledge their privilege they shouldn't be penalised the way that they are")
or Climate Change ("If people choose to block traffic to save the planet they shouldn't be penalised the way that they are")

And so on and so forth.

It's the same underlying, resentful idea, repackaged to suit whatever grievance is being manipulated.

... it never ends.

Here's the thing Mashman - you've correctly identified that what is happening is wrong. I've noticed in some other posts of late that you've made that you've noticed some other things are wrong as well. You are a devotee of RBEs, yet, you seem to be opposed to the things like the WEF and I assume digital currency/social credit systems.

You are at a philosophical cross-roads.

I'm being deliberately provocative to push you to the ultimate extreme of both beliefs - they cannot co-exist - to see where you come out the other side (if you come out at all).

Here's the thing TDL, as explained above, I know how close to communism/wef/fascism/totalitatrianism etc... 'My Way' is. I Am no devotee for RBE, just an advocate, and I'm pretty much sure they all know that by NOW. Hence the dichotomy you're having issues with. I Am not what you say you think I Am you fucking idiot.

lol@philosophical crossroads. The satire is delicious. Projecting

I have zero ego to bruise TDL (nor am I a devotee of RBE). Evidence is evidence. You can't rationalise what you're incapable of considering to be true in any way shape or form. But that'll mean absolutely nothing to you, because it can't, because it would mean that you've been lying to yourself about something for a very long time because you didn't listen to what was being said to you because you thought you knew better.......... absolutely delicious is your current struggle projecting all over the screen. "You say this and then say that and the two cannot exist together, and I won;t accept that they can." does not make you oepn minded. Quite the opposite numbnuts. You're wrong about what I know on almost every level by your own admission, therefore all of your analysis is worthless and any denial, well, just go and read how many times you think you know what I thought but you turned out to be wrong. Should be a hint. Anyhoo....

Have a great one TDL. Til next year.

[TheDemonLord]

I've told you. Those who did nothing about Saville, Glitter, Andrew etc... despite the evidence throught the years spanning all governments. That's left and right in case you can't count as well as not be able to think. I'd say get it yet, but you clearly can't.

Funny - still not seeing any advocacy for them from the Right.... Almost like it doesn't exist...

Of course you don't. You can't. You keep proving that over and over and over again, look, this will become important NOW

You complain that I need to "Lean how to read what others mean, it's far easier." - yet, when I do repeat verbatim what others have said - you say that I don't...

Pick one.

Remember - I'm taking them at their word, I'm not adding any of my personal interpretation here - so when Marxist philosophers tell me what they want to do, I believe that this is indeed, what they want to do.

If you have an issue with that - take it up with them - I'm just the messenger.

I do you realise that though you fucking idiot. I have always have been fully aware that what I know can being used to feather the nests of a few over the nests of all. You stupid stupid one eyed simpletion ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa. You clearly know nothing of what I think. QED ad infinitum... and yet you persist. Choice bro... or perhaps, that's interesting (nah, that's the definition of idiocy).

Hit a nerve, did I? Hold that thought.

... it never ends.

Indeed, turns out jealousy is eternal...

Here's the thing TDL, as explained above, I know how close to communism/wef/fascism/totalitatrianism etc... 'My Way' is.

Exactly - and like all the Communists, WEF, Fascists and Totalitarians - it's your way that will totally work this time, right? it won't end badly like all those other methods? Right?

I Am no devotee for RBE, just an advocate, and I'm pretty much sure they all know that by NOW. Hence the dichotomy you're having issues with. I Am not what you say you think I Am you fucking idiot.

Potato/potarto.

Advocate, Devotee - same difference.

lol@philosophical crossroads. The satire is delicious. Projecting

I have zero ego to bruise TDL (nor am I a devotee of RBE). Evidence is evidence.

Okay then, if Evidence is Evidence - riddle me this:

You've agreed with me that "I know how close to communism/wef/fascism/totalitatrianism etc... 'My Way' is." (only took 7 years, but glad to finally get that admission from you ) - why should anyone then trust that you won't turn out like those other systems?

You share the same philosophical bedrock. You share the same goal - to be free of all forms of oppression, yes?

When the Pedophile says 'You are oppressing me' - by what basis do you have to tell them to fuck off....

that cannot also be applied to any other facet of your utopian vision.

You can't rationalise what you're incapable of considering to be true in any way shape or form. But that'll mean absolutely nothing to you, because it can't, because it would mean that you've been lying to yourself about something for a very long time because you didn't listen to what was being said to you because you thought you knew better.......... absolutely delicious is your current struggle projecting all over the screen.

I'm not projecting, nor am I angry. You on the other hand - you mentioned bruised ego and have started calling me names.

The Mashman doth protest too much, me thinks.

l"You say this and then say that and the two cannot exist together, and I won;t accept that they can." does not make you oepn minded.Quite the opposite numbnuts.

Run the experiment to it's ultimate conclusion.

If you want a society that is completely free from all oppression, then that must include the oppression of self-inflicted choice. Without that, you have no basis for Morality. You cannot say that someone's actions are bad nor can you judge them for it.

So, in your perfect RBE world, if everyone chooses not to work, at all, and all of Society starts to collapse - you have no moral basis to say this is wrong.

Now, on the flipside, if you want to say Pedophilia is bad (and it is, obviously) you have to believe that it is right and just to oppress someone who violates the rights of others.

The Murderer is bad because they violate the rights of others
The Pedophile is bad because they violate the rights of others
And the person who chooses not to work but demands to be paid for their inaction by the fruits of the labour of others is violating the rights of others.

It's an entirely consistent moral system with no contradictions.

lYou're wrong about what I know on almost every level by your own admission, therefore all of your analysis is worthless and any denial, well, just go and read how many times you think you know what I thought but you turned out to be wrong. Should be a hint. Anyhoo....

Have a great one TDL. Til next year.

I mean, I said 7 years ago you were a Marxist but didn't know it, and you've admitted as much to me now - so should be a hint - I was right, am right - only took you a bit of time to realize

Til next year then

[mashman]

I'll read it next year TDL. Best of luck.

[R650R]

Nucluer power is back in vogue...

“The government of Italy is planning to build new nuclear power plants. And if it happens, it marks an astonishing turnaround.

This was the Garigliano Nuclear Power plant in Italy in 1970. They already had the solution to it all, energy wars, Vladimir Putin, and fantasy “climate control” fifty years ago.

Garigliano Nuclear Power Plant 1970
How much have we lost? Photo: Demaag
But Italy abandoned nuclear energy thirty years ago. It’s the only major European country to have stopped using nuclear power. (Though Germany is trying to).

Italy had four nuclear plants in the early 1980s but after the Chernobyl accident, they held a referendum on nuclear power, and the voters didn’t want it anymore, so they closed the last two reactors by 1990, (back in the days when voting made a difference). Furthermore, Italy held another referendum in 2011, and 94% of the voters rejected it again, which shows how desperate the situation must be now if an opinion poll like that has shifted so far in 11 years?

The thing is, Italy only makes 25% of its energy itself, and so it is suddenly very attuned to “geopolitical risk”.

Pierre Goselin at NoTricksZone found a news piece on this Nuclear U-turn in the Berliner Morgenpost. Otherwise, it’s crickets from the worlds media.

Nuclear power: Italy is planning a turnaround in energy policy
by Micaela Taroni

Under the pressure of the energy crisis, however, the Italians suddenly became painfully aware of their heavy dependence on electricity from abroad. The topic moves the citizens because they clearly feel the increase in their electricity bills despite government support.

Although renewable energies have been significantly expanded in recent years, the production of green electricity is far from sufficient.

No wonder that the new government around the right-wing populist Giorgia Meloni regards the return to nuclear energy, which the Italians had renounced following a referendum in 1987, as a solution to the energy problems.

The Infrastructure Minister (who happens to lead the second largest party in the Coalition) is dead keen:

“Italy cannot be the only major country in the world without nuclear energy. We cannot talk about phasing out gas, petrol and diesel without discussing nuclear energy,” [Matteo] Salvini explained, proposing that a nuclear power plant could be built in Milan, in his Baggio district.

When environmentalists objected that Italy was a densely populated country prone to earthquakes, landslides and floods, and on whose soil it would be better not to build nuclear reactors, Salvini replied that there were 440 nuclear reactors in operation worldwide, including several in seismically active Japan and a dozen of them in France, just over the Italian border. “Reactors of the latest generation are the safest and cleanest form of energy production, that’s the future,” assured the Lega boss.

As usual the left-leaning parties that want to reduce emissions will do anything to Not achieve that. Apparently, the big problem with nuclear power is that even though it will solve their emissions fears, it won’t meet some arbitrary committee deadline that no one else is going to meet anyway:

The Social Democrats see this “green transition” as an opportunity for the country’s economy. They oppose nuclear energy because, in their view, the timeframe and existing technologies are incompatible with a significant reduction in CO2 emissions by 2030.

It’s almost like the Social Democrats are just the useless minions for the big bankers or the renewable industry. What they fear more than the climate catastrophe is the end of their fake crisis.

So the big question then, is will Italians accept a nuclear plant now?
”

[mashman]

Nucluer power is back in vogue...

“The government of Italy is planning to build new nuclear power plants. And if it happens, it marks an astonishing turnaround.

This was the Garigliano Nuclear Power plant in Italy in 1970. They already had the solution to it all, energy wars, Vladimir Putin, and fantasy “climate control” fifty years ago.

Garigliano Nuclear Power Plant 1970
How much have we lost? Photo: Demaag
But Italy abandoned nuclear energy thirty years ago. It’s the only major European country to have stopped using nuclear power. (Though Germany is trying to).

Italy had four nuclear plants in the early 1980s but after the Chernobyl accident, they held a referendum on nuclear power, and the voters didn’t want it anymore, so they closed the last two reactors by 1990, (back in the days when voting made a difference). Furthermore, Italy held another referendum in 2011, and 94% of the voters rejected it again, which shows how desperate the situation must be now if an opinion poll like that has shifted so far in 11 years?

The thing is, Italy only makes 25% of its energy itself, and so it is suddenly very attuned to “geopolitical risk”.

Pierre Goselin at NoTricksZone found a news piece on this Nuclear U-turn in the Berliner Morgenpost. Otherwise, it’s crickets from the worlds media.

Nuclear power: Italy is planning a turnaround in energy policy
by Micaela Taroni

Under the pressure of the energy crisis, however, the Italians suddenly became painfully aware of their heavy dependence on electricity from abroad. The topic moves the citizens because they clearly feel the increase in their electricity bills despite government support.

Although renewable energies have been significantly expanded in recent years, the production of green electricity is far from sufficient.

No wonder that the new government around the right-wing populist Giorgia Meloni regards the return to nuclear energy, which the Italians had renounced following a referendum in 1987, as a solution to the energy problems.

The Infrastructure Minister (who happens to lead the second largest party in the Coalition) is dead keen:

“Italy cannot be the only major country in the world without nuclear energy. We cannot talk about phasing out gas, petrol and diesel without discussing nuclear energy,” [Matteo] Salvini explained, proposing that a nuclear power plant could be built in Milan, in his Baggio district.

When environmentalists objected that Italy was a densely populated country prone to earthquakes, landslides and floods, and on whose soil it would be better not to build nuclear reactors, Salvini replied that there were 440 nuclear reactors in operation worldwide, including several in seismically active Japan and a dozen of them in France, just over the Italian border. “Reactors of the latest generation are the safest and cleanest form of energy production, that’s the future,” assured the Lega boss.

As usual the left-leaning parties that want to reduce emissions will do anything to Not achieve that. Apparently, the big problem with nuclear power is that even though it will solve their emissions fears, it won’t meet some arbitrary committee deadline that no one else is going to meet anyway:

The Social Democrats see this “green transition” as an opportunity for the country’s economy. They oppose nuclear energy because, in their view, the timeframe and existing technologies are incompatible with a significant reduction in CO2 emissions by 2030.

It’s almost like the Social Democrats are just the useless minions for the big bankers or the renewable industry. What they fear more than the climate catastrophe is the end of their fake crisis.

So the big question then, is will Italians accept a nuclear plant now?
”

lolz. Why not, a few more reactors in the world won't make much difference to the most likely outcome... plus we can keep extracting oil to turn into plastics, because that's exactly what we'll do. It won't stay in the ground unconverted, it will be extracted and converted into goods for the market. Smoke n mirrors to appease the lazy into doing the wrong thing so that they can continue to do all of the same wrong things all over again

[pritch]

Interesting day in politics in the USA. Kevin McCarthy who has led the Republicans in the House of Congress for years wants to be Speaker now that the R's have the majority. It was he who went to Mar a Lago and rescucited Trump's political career. He has assumed that his fellow members will vote hm in to the posion and has moved his gear into the Speaker's office formerly occupied by Nancy Pelosi. He failed to win the vote. First time that's happened in 100 years. He then failed to win a second vote.

Here's hoping he loses the third vote too. Problem is Gym Jordan is picking up votes. He's an angry little man with a big dose if short arse disease. Anything he's involved with quickly degenerates into a circus. (He's the one who doesn't wear a jacket.)

There is a certain potential for entertainment in all this as afternoon our time approaches..

[Laava]

So how many chances does he get to be voted in to that position? Do they just keep voting until they get the result they want?
If he has already not been democratically chosen for the role? Can he do a Trump and demand a recount and/or denounce it all as being stolen/corrupt?
Gotta love american politics!
Actually, no, it is a fucking toxic institution.

[R650R]

What happened to Pelosi? Electric Jesus A.I. has taken over YouTube algorithms so I don’t see us politics anymore.

[pete376403]

What happened to Pelosi? Electric Jesus A.I. has taken over YouTube algorithms so I don’t see us politics anymore.

Dems no longer have the majority in the house - Speaker is chosen by the majority party. at least thats what they are trying to do

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-...rong/101825254

[pritch]

So how many chances does he get to be voted in to that position? Do they just keep voting until they get the result they want?

The last time this happened in 1923 it took nine votes apparently. Normally this stuff used to be thrashed out in the proverbial smoke filled room, not this time. Another normal thing when a situation like this this arose would be to stop having votes, and have a meeting or two to thrash it out, but McCarthy didn't want that.

I think the Democrats can vote. It's assumed they can't win because they are the minority, but they could vote for a consensus Republican candidate and sink McCarthy.

McCarthy's problem would seem to be that he has pissed too many people off while minority leader.

He moved into Nancy's office prematurely. Such arrogance, I'd love to see hm have to move out.

What happened to Pelosi?

Today Nancy would have ceased to be Speaker and become Minority Leader. Instead she resigned. The Democrats elected Hakeem Jeffries the first African American to lead a party in Congress.

Incidentally Speaker ranks high in the order of succession. In the event the President dies, the VP takes over. If the VP dies before being inaugurated, the Speaker becomes President.

[pritch]

Matt Gaetz I do not like but credit where it's due...

[TheDemonLord]

Matt Gaetz I do not like but credit where it's due...

I laughed at the Squatter comment, too.

[mashman]

If federal employees keep working from home, D.C. mayor says White House should flip ‘vast property holdings’ to residential use. How would that work? ... well, wow, I didn't see that coming (sarcasm, coz I know EXACTLY how useful "My" economics are as well as knowing that anyone can use them. Ya see, some ideas transcend any ideology and simply solve a problem. Those who make it such things a problem have not yet figured out how to transcend their own ideology and see an idea for what it is i.e. just an idea).

Been talking about it for 5 or 6 years, and unfortunately it looks like one of the major concerns I had about releasing such economics has been realised i.e. the 'bad guys' are gonna use it for political gain (Klaus must really like the work I've done) coz the humans didn't think it could ever happen and decided to take the piss instead .

Delicious satire? irony? human stupidity? 'bad guy' foresight? ... oh who am I kidding, it's all of them...............

Disclaimer: If anyone reads any form of ego into that instead of genuine concern: QED.

[pritch]

McCarthy has been nominated for Speaker for the sixth time. This could run for a while yet, the record is 123.

Hakeem Jeffries wins every ballot but of course the Republicans don't want him. In similar situations previously Democrats tended to wander off thereby lowering the number of votes needed to win. So far this time they are unified and they all remain in the chamber.

McCarthy phoned Trump yesterday, presumably seeking support. Trump has fired off a 'Truth' asking that McCarthy receive the needed votes. The dissenters were unimpressed.

[Laava]

Hahaha, retarded US politics, what a fucking embarrasment!