Stupid World

[sugilite:Me]

Jesus I can’t believe we’ve been subjected to her demands for so long, you are correct in age.

What her generation will have to deal with is footing the bill for all these virtue signalling climate related policies/taxes/levies and increased costs of production. On the bright side they’ll get their equality demands met, everyone will be on Chinese/mexican slave labour level wages after economies collapse from debt burden.
Our cost of living isnt going up our purchasing power is just being slowly reset to nothing

A bunch of solid points there, however there is a reason why insurance companies are pulling out of Florida, and that will be just the tip of the rapidly melting iceberg.
Climate change is real, and it is already here and accelerating. Now - we as humans can sit around squabbling about how much humankind contributed towards it as much as we like. But I can tell you who gives not one shit about those squabbles and she is by far the largest stakeholder and pretty much holds all the power cards in all of this - Mother Nature.

[Katman]

Climate change is real, and it is already here and accelerating.

There are plenty of people out there, far more qualified than you, who have a very different view.

[sugilite:Me]

There are plenty of people out there, far more qualified than you, who have a very different view.

An interesting premise, interesting in the fact that it can also be applied to your views on vaccines.
I tend to follow the money, an often murky endeavor when it comes to scientific reports, who is paying for it seems to impact the results - go figure. Now insurance companies, the last thing they want to do is actually pay out, and those pricks are pulling the plug on insurance packages left right and center, even here in little ole NZ. They are turning down premiums because the risk is not worth the reward. To stay in business, they have to deal with the cold hard facts. A concept us keyboard "experts" are unencumbered by.

[R650R]

An interesting premise, interesting in the fact that it can also be applied to your views on vaccines.
I tend to follow the money, an often murky endeavor when it comes to scientific reports, who is paying for it seems to impact the results - go figure. Now insurance companies, the last thing they want to do is actually pay out, and those pricks are pulling the plug on insurance packages left right and center, even here in little ole NZ. They are turning down premiums because the risk is not worth the reward. To stay in business, they have to deal with the cold hard facts. A concept us keyboard "experts" are unencumbered by.

No that’s just marketing genius creating artificial scarcity. Lose a couple policies to stoke the fear and team everyone else. Eg my home wasn’t in danger during Gabriel and I’m not stupid enough to drive through floodwater but now I’m getting reamed as “oh it might happen again”

The latest worst storm ever has usually already happened same place decades early at same or worse levels. Check out Darwin cyclone 1974 and multiple esk valley floods back in early 1900’s. It just with ease of taking photos these days and high speed communication we get to hear about everything.

Climate is always changing it just depends on what timeline you are looking at everything g goes in cycles.

[sugilite:Me]

No that’s just marketing genius creating artificial scarcity. Lose a couple policies to stoke the fear and team everyone else. Eg my home wasn’t in danger during Gabriel and I’m not stupid enough to drive through floodwater but now I’m getting reamed as “oh it might happen again”

The latest worst storm ever has usually already happened same place decades early at same or worse levels. Check out Darwin cyclone 1974 and multiple esk valley floods back in early 1900’s. It just with ease of taking photos these days and high speed communication we get to hear about everything.

Climate is always changing it just depends on what timeline you are looking at everything g goes in cycles.

I'll let you continue that argument with Mother Nature in the years to come.

[Katman]

I tend to follow the money, an often murky endeavor when it comes to scientific reports, who is paying for it seems to impact the results - go figure.

You mean like studies funded by the pharmaceutical industry?

[sugilite:Me]

You mean like studies funded by the pharmaceutical industry?

Yes, exactly. Any studes that are funded by industries with a vested outcome are to be treated with high suspicion - from both sides.

For instance, when a power company wanted to build a wind farm with the closest turbine to my house being under one kilometer away, I went looking for information, studies that had been done on their impact. What I found were studies funded by power companies saying nothing to worry about, and then studies funded by wind farm opponents that were saying they represented the end of the universe as we know it. If I had a slight lean in one direction or the other, I could of found seemingly compelling "science" to support that lean in these studies from both sides.
It was not until I found a social/medical study initially unrelated to wind farms (they inadvertently came into the long term study later) that I finally found unbiased information, which unfortunately for me - had negative connotations towards living so close to them.

[TheDemonLord]

It was not until I found a social/medical study initially unrelated to wind farms (they inadvertently came into the long term study later) that I finally found unbiased information, which unfortunately for me - had negative connotations towards living so close to them.

So, I am curious on a number of fronts - if you don't mind:

What were the Negative Connotations (for you, specifically)

and the secondary element (which is where my curiousity is really piqued) - Which of the two biased studies (For and Against) would you say was closest (and why) to the unbiased one?

[sugilite:Me]

So, I am curious on a number of fronts - if you don't mind:

OK, even the nutshell version will likely be considered by many to be a wall of text, guess what goes around comes around

What were the Negative Connotations (for you, specifically)

The effects on my 4 children.
The study I finally found was a very long term one, 15 to 20 odd years I vaguely remember. It was a USA based study on health and education of rural community children. With my family living 25 kilometers from the closest store, it seemed apt. The study measured all sorts of things once or twice a year, education levels, amount of sleep attained, and all sorts of other health/education orientated things.
About 6 years in, a wind farm was built nearby some of the houses. The education numbers, sleep hours and concentration level test scores in particular all went down.
Turns out the wind farm had not been correctly consented, and it was decommissioned and ripped out. Subsequent test levels returned back to the same ranges pre wind farm. The report theorized that the rhythmic sub sonic sound (low frequency) that wind farms produce prevent many people from attaining rem state while asleep. I then looked around for such studies and found this effect, is actually a thing. Studies were done on sailors with particular diesel engines creating these harmonics and so on.
The study noted that the changes for student levels dropping was about 3 kilometers out, getting progressively worse the closer the children lived to the wind farm.
My preconceived bias was I wanted to find no problems btw.
Interestingly through the consent hearings I attended, the community funded resistance did find experts from the Massey University who were part way thorough a study looking into if houses were acting as speaker boxes for these low frequency sounds and houses with iron roofs in particular seemed to be the worst for doing it, so the roof acts as a receiver for the sound vibrations, in essence turning the house into a "boom box". And it is a fact, if you want to listen to what a turbine sounds like, do not stand under it, rather go anywhere up to 2.5 to 3 km's away, and park in a quiet enclave, then you will hear that wop, wop, wop sound. And it matters not if you have the windows of the car wound up or down, the volume level does not change. When the Massey professors had said their piece, the power company experts wrote it off as pseudo science. I took this up directly with the power company experts and asked them what made them consign this research to the pseudo science trash can, and what I received, was a bunch of mealy mouthed ramblings that basically watered down to the study had not been peer reviewed. I then told them that considering the study had not been completed, that their pseudo science comments seemed very performative and baselesly emotive. I could see from the joy on their faces that they were very grateful for my input

and the secondary element (which is where my curiousity is really piqued) - Which of the two biased studies (For and Against) would you say was closest (and why) to the unbiased one?

I cannot answer this question, because the study that (finally) gave me the information I needed was not a wind farm study. The wind farm was just there for 2 or 3 years or so during that part of the study.

As for the studies I found that I detected were biased, there were many. And my perception was both sides pushed very dodgy claims tailored to suit what ever result they wanted to "find/pay" for.

The community fought hard against the wind farm, and subsequently it was never built. The community did get it stopped at the council consent stage, but then the power company appealed to the environment court, who nauseatingly sided 100% with the power company. Of particular annoyance to me was the power company swore black and blue that the noise levels would stay under certain ;levels, when the community asked for monitoring to be put in place to make sure these levels are met, the environment court judges said nah. What stopped it was what the local farmers had been saying all along to the power company. A Karst Limestone environment is not stable enough to hold up turbines, especially with thousands of tomos everywhere. After spending MILLIONS on tests and reports. When the power company finally drilled 21 test holes, 17 of those tests ended up in tomos. To this day that power company is still trying to flog the project off to another power company lol

As an aside, I took much satisfaction in costing that particular power company hundreds of thousands of dollars in wasted reports, because during my in person submission at the council hearing stage, I mauled 2 of the reports and associated expert report writers so badly, they completely dropped them from the case they presented to the environment court. (one of the power company lawyers told me this after they won in the environment court) This was the same power company that tried to rip me off years earlier and took me more than 11 months to get them to do the right thing.

With some irony, I now overlook a wind farm, luckily 7 km's away, so I have never heard it. The only slight annoyance is the red flashing lights causing light pollution effecting my stargazing. I'm fine with that though, as it is better than small aircraft and helicopters banging into the turbines.

Wall of text over.

[R650R]

Must spread rep Sugi, nice work.

Even just visiting the ones at palmy lookout gets nauseating pretty quick that low freq hum just gets inside you. You definitely wouldn’t want to live to close.
Low freq noises are what wakes people up, in same range as speech it’s our human defence instinct biology and why DOOF DOOF feral music choices can be so annoying.

[TheDemonLord]

That was thoroughly interesting. The clincher being the Low frequency vibration being constant - very interesting.

[pritch]

I could see from the joy on their faces that they were very grateful for my input

The high point of an excellent post.

[TheDemonLord]

The most up-to-date analysis of the Indian Vs Pakistan air combat.

Which, TL;DR - We don't have any conclusive info to understand what was done, how it was done.

But, despite there being very little details - there is some very interesting insights.

[R650R]

An indictment on low level of modern journalism and intelligence.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/3607...on-harm-report

There is no such thing as a limited nucluer exchange. It’s why the Russians and USA did the START treaty to get rid of intermediate range tactical nukes. The prime reason being the have the reach to eliminate longer range weapons that make the crazy theory of MAD workable.

Although the article makes some mentions of supply chain disruptions it’s not even close to how bad or non existent resupply of anything useful will be. Just look at Covid and that was with most freight modes still in working condition just slowed by precautions.

[husaberg]

An indictment on low level of modern journalism and intelligence.

Yeah reporters sure are stupid, I can remember one saying over and over how Russia would not invade Ukraine, how COVID mask wearing was a conspiracy, how COVID as cured with malaria drugs and ivermectin. So how seriously stupid was that.
.......oh yeah that was you wasn't it aye...