Stupid World

[bogan]

That doesn't make the individuals less civilised, only the structures of the surrounding society.

They're going to save the next lot from being kidnapped.
What innocent? They kidnapped children and sold them... they have forfeit their right to existence. Why didn't they leave Bin Laden alone then? Or Hussein?

It makes the country less civilised. Either way, both societies have money, one is less civilised; therefore, money is not strongly correlated.

Why not ask who they sold em to and save the current lot? Seems a more tactically sound plan of attack than just shoot em all.
How good is the intelligence, who did the actual kidnapping, who was just a slave wife in the wrong place and got drone striked? How many innocents were killed in the fight against Bin Laden and Hussein? Strategy is important to be sure the cure is not worse than the disease.

[mashman]

It makes the country less civilised. Either way, both societies have money, one is less civilised; therefore, money is not strongly correlated.

Why not ask who they sold em to and save the current lot? Seems a more tactically sound plan of attack than just shoot em all.
How good is the intelligence, who did the actual kidnapping, who was just a slave wife in the wrong place and got drone striked? How many innocents were killed in the fight against Bin Laden and Hussein? Strategy is important to be sure the cure is not worse than the disease.

Who gives a shit about the country, the people are more important and often migrate to "civilised" country's and fit in fine. Sounds like a bullshit excuse to label a bunch of people savages to me. If you can't afford that which you class as allowing a civilisation to be "civilised", then there most certainly is a correlation and not an indirect one either.

Sure, but that still requires someone to go and get them. TPTB have technology that can scan areas looking for insurgent camps. Use it! You reckon they're gonna hold records on the kids they've sold and who too? If they're that hard core, then I wouldn't hold much hope for them telling anyone anything, by all means ask, if there is no answer put a bullet in their forehead.
None of that has stopped the US from blowing things to pieces before. As we know only tolerance is the cure, which leads me back to how many should be kidnapped before there is any form of intervention. Christ if it had have been journalists or heads of state they would have obliterated the entire country. What makes them so much more important?

[bogan]

Who gives a shit about the country, the people are more important and often migrate to "civilised" country's and fit in fine. Sounds like a bullshit excuse to label a bunch of people savages to me. If you can't afford that which you class as allowing a civilisation to be "civilised", then there most certainly is a correlation and not an indirect one either.

Sure, but that still requires someone to go and get them. TPTB have technology that can scan areas looking for insurgent camps. Use it! You reckon they're gonna hold records on the kids they've sold and who too? If they're that hard core, then I wouldn't hold much hope for them telling anyone anything, by all means ask, if there is no answer put a bullet in their forehead.
None of that has stopped the US from blowing things to pieces before. As we know only tolerance is the cure, which leads me back to how many should be kidnapped before there is any form of intervention. Christ if it had have been journalists or heads of state they would have obliterated the entire country. What makes them so much more important?

Where have I labeled them savages? I mean you're the one wanting to drone strike them, not me

Exactly, now you're showing why false flag ops are a worry. All an oppressive regime needs to do is kidnap some kids near some insurgents and blame them; then mashie's good ol boys will come over and put down the uprising, oppressions to order, good plan you thunderous shitlord.

[mashman]

Where have I labeled them savages?

Savage fits the definition of uncivilised, therefore if they're not "civilised" as you claim blah blah blah.

I mean you're the one wanting to drone strike them, not me

Exactly, now you're showing why false flag ops are a worry. All an oppressive regime needs to do is kidnap some kids near some insurgents and blame them; then mashie's good ol boys will come over and put down the uprising, oppressions to order, good plan you thunderous shitlord.

From a few posts ago

There are many special forces. They only need drones after that.

... keep up.

[bogan]

Savage fits the definition of uncivilised, therefore if they're not "civilised" as you claim blah blah blah.



From a few posts ago



... keep up.

Neither did I say the people were inherently uncivilised, we're all a product of our surroundings.

Drones or spec ops, taking out rebels cause they were set up with a false flag op is not a good plan.

[mashman]

Neither did I say the people were inherently uncivilised, we're all a product of our surroundings.

Drones or spec ops, taking out rebels cause they were set up with a false flag op is not a good plan.

You're one of the last people I would have thought would have resorted to such cowardly bullshit. We are what we choose to be.

Hence sending in special ops to scout first

[bogan]

You're one of the last people I would have thought would have resorted to such cowardly bullshit. We are what we choose to be.

Hence sending in special ops to scout first

And those choices are limited by the world we grow up in. It is not cowardly bullshit, just the way I see life evolving.

What, and just ask them nicely if they did the kidnapping for realsies?

[mashman]

And those choices are limited by the world we grow up in. It is not cowardly bullshit, just the way I see life evolving.

What, and just ask them nicely if they did the kidnapping for realsies?

Bullshit... we'd still be in caves if that were true.

We've done that... and surely the story of 200+ parents is easy to check out?

[bogan]

Bullshit... we'd still be in caves if that were true.

We've done that... and surely the story of 200+ parents is easy to check out?

We'd still be in cave if evolution was true? you sir, I think fail to grasp the concept of evolution

Do you also not understand the concept of a false flag operation? The atrocity happens, it is just pinned on another group. You go in all guns blazing and destroy any evidence and you just kill the innocent and encourage future atrocities. Obviously in this particular case it is unlikely to be a false flag op, but the reason for that is because it is also unlikely the 'world police' will go off half cocked as you want them to.

[mashman]

We'd still be in cave if evolution was true? you sir, I think fail to grasp the concept of evolution

Do you also not understand the concept of a false flag operation? The atrocity happens, it is just pinned on another group. You go in all guns blazing and destroy any evidence and you just kill the innocent and encourage future atrocities. Obviously in this particular case it is unlikely to be a false flag op, but the reason for that is because it is also unlikely the 'world police' will go off half cocked as you want them to.

How ironic... if you don't choose to evolve you won't.

why do you think I said send in special ops to scout first?

At this point I bow out.

[bogan]

How ironic... if you don't choose to evolve you won't.

why do you think I said send in special ops to scout first?

At this point I bow out.

Indeed, and one can only choose to evolve within the bounds of their surroundings/society. It's why human rights are evolving instead of the caveman just saying, nope women are our equal, gays are too, all shall have freedom of speech etc; these are recent things, because our society has evolved enough to make them a choice.

So, there are no hostages, and no record of them either, yet spec op investigators will prove who did it? Bottom line mashy, if a countries police force is controlled by a different country, they simply don't have the chance to stand on their own two feet. It's a half assed approach, why not just send in the full freedom squad to enforce democracy and eagles across the board.

[Scuba_Steve]

Indeed, and one can only choose to evolve within the bounds of their surroundings/society. It's why human rights are evolving instead of the caveman just saying, nope women are our equal, gays are too, all shall have freedom of speech etc; these are recent things, because our society has evolved enough to make them a choice.

after d"evolving" to restrict them in the 1st place... wouldn't that mean we just regressed? (tho we are working towards trying to restrict 1 of those again)

[bogan]

after d"evolving" to restrict them in the 1st place... wouldn't that mean we just regressed? (tho we are working towards trying to restrict 1 of those again)

Yup, but regression at one time might just seem like evolution to those who regress. Point being, if it were an individuals choice alone, then you wouldn't get such fluctions that are so related to what the rest of society is up to, and how civilised it is or isn't. We are a product of our surroundings, whether a whinging pom accepts that or not

[mashman]

Yup, but regression at one time might just seem like evolution to those who regress. Point being, if it were an individuals choice alone, then you wouldn't get such fluctions that are so related to what the rest of society is up to, and how civilised it is or isn't. We are a product of our surroundings, whether a whinging pom accepts that or not

Our surroundings are a product of us you arse end of the earth gas bagging hairy footed hobbit. Tis why we have politicians and economists etc... all man made, not because of environment, but because of choice. You make your own reality... well, in your case it would seem that you have chosen to allow your reality to be shaped for you.

[bogan]

Our surroundings are a product of us you arse end of the earth gas bagging hairy footed hobbit. Tis why we have politicians and economists etc... all man made, not because of environment, but because of choice. You make your own reality... well, in your case it would seem that you have chosen to allow your reality to be shaped for you.

Of course, but look at the scales. The individual is a product of his surroundings, but very rarely are the surroundings the product of a single individual. We grow, evolve, civilise as a society, which in turn affects how we grow as an individual.
For instance, without the internet and media etc, you probably wouldn't be such a thunderous shitlord so intent on spewing financial hatred.