Stupid World

[F5 Dave]

All this talk about cars? Who gives a Rats?

Off to boxing day races day after. Not taking a boring car. Long way home too over a couple of days.

[R650R]

All this talk about cars? Who gives a Rats?

Off to boxing day races day after. Not taking a boring car. Long way home too over a couple of days.

AKA tommorow.

[TheDemonLord]

Here is what you said - "Further to this - when a Mum comes out and says 'I have two Trans Kids' - all I hear is "I'm abusing my children" - not only that, I've heard multiple anecdotes from people that go along these lines:"
So I'm exempt from this statement because I'm a man? Or because I only have one trans?

Yes, I stand by the statement.

1% self-identification (at any stage of their life) followed by a 60-80% recanting of that identification - that's a 0.0036% chance of happening.

Not completely impossible - granted, but so unlikely as to generate suspicion.

Then you factor in other societal factors, which I've referenced - that is seems clear that for some people (mostly autistic teenage girls) that there is an element of social contagion.

There is more than enough anecdotal evidence out there - whether it's a 5,000% increase in the number of self-reporting of Trans identity after adopting the maxims of Gender theory in a school - or the self-reports of people that have de-transitioned who say that they went down a rabbit hole where people encouraged them.

As for whether you are exempt from this because you are a Man - Abuse, based on the Sex of the abuser, varies - Men are generally more physical, Women are generally more mental when it comes to Abuse.

This is not me being some bluff old traditionalist (or Misogynist), but this is well documented in Social Science literature. As a single example, Munchhausen by Proxy has a gender rate of 75% in favour of the Mother, and just 6% of the Father.

The last line, I trust the maths has explained that.

Your many blanket generalizations that you refuse to pull back from and then go on to double down with after I made a attempt at a serious conversation - honestly, why would I bother talking with you further on this subject? I now consider the whole trans subject closed with you, not because you beat me back with good points, rather I see no point conversing with someone that is not willing to engage in a talk of possible solutions, you just want to stir the pot with shit tons of those blanket generalizations you love so much.

We'll get to that.

It seems to me, you are so determined to put me in a box. The reason I come across as being so left with you, is because 80+% of our conversations are in the Trump thread where you unwaveringly defended the indefensible - and I add all the trump apologists into that which if course is made up of nearly the whole republican party. How is that working out for them now btw?- The prior unwavering support of a reprehensible human being. 3 time losers and counting. The fact the repubs are just now cottoning on to how toxic trump is for their party beggars belief.

I'm pretty sure in many instances I've called you a Centrist.

However, there are many issues where you have inherited the Left-wing framing of an issue - that's fine, where my biggest frustration (if you can even call it that) is - that you are so much closer than you realise to my position on many issues, the only difference is that you hold a charitable view that I have long since abandoned on the opposition.

The truth of it as I have tried many times to explain to you. Is I despise pollies in equal measure, just in different ways.

The Pollies, though are downstream, by several orders of the source of the Problem. By the time the Politicians are involved, it's a major issue.

Thus it matters not to me when you point out my views are the same as the right, or left. The same as I view a good idea as being simply a good idea. I do not care where it came from, marxist, conservative, the tooth fairy. I simply do not care. A good idea, is a good idea. My observation is you need to scrutinize and assign political slants on near any given situation and if it comes from the left, trash it. I've lost count of your "deep marxist roots" attributions.

And this is the charitable view that I'm talking about. One group (the Marxists) have a stated end-goal: A Glorious revolution, followed by a dictatorship of the Proletariat, followed by Socialism, followed by the Communist Utopia.

A nice dream, but the reality is tyranny and blooshed on a scale that I can barely comprehend. I don't want that.

So, when a self-declared marxist comes up with an idea, specifically to criticize an existing institution (which will be inherently flawed and imperfect), with the goal of undermining it - I do not grant them that Charity that you do.

Earlier on - you talked about denying Medical transitions to someone under the age of 25 and that there's fundamental biological differences between the Sexes that mean Sex segregation in Sport should be maintained - here's a challenge for you:

Create throwaway account on some pro-SJW or Pro-Trans or otherwise just left-leaning forum and tell them you have a Trans adult child, you love them and support them and that you hold those opinions.

I give it up to 6 posts before you are called a Conservative or a Trumper or a 1930s German or just outright banned for violating the Forum Policy.

See how far your Good idea gets you.

Now, in terms of your good ideas - how about these:

All I can state, ell that led me to modify my positions of the second sex is that the class struggle proper does not emancipate woman. Whether you-take communists, trotskyists, or maoists, there is always a subordination of woman to man. Consequently; I became convinced that women had to become feminist, that they should analyse society quite seriously, to try end understand the relation between workers' end women's exploitation. And to what extent the suppression of capitalism would bring about conditions more favourable to feminine emancipation, I don't know. It remains to be done. I am certain of one thing, to suppress capitalism does not mean to suppress the patriarchal tradition, as long as the family continues to exist. I believe it necessary not only to suppress capitalism, and to change the means of production, but also to change the family structure.

That's Simone de Beauvoir, a foundational Feminist.

Abolish the Family traces the history of family abolitionist demands, beginning with nineteenth century utopian socialist and sex radical Charles Fourier, the Communist Manifesto and early-twentieth century Russian family abolitionist Alexandra Kollontai. Turning her attention to the 1960s, Lewis reminds us of the anti-family politics of radical feminists like Shulamith Firestone and the gay liberationists, a tradition she traces to the queer marxists bringing family abolition to the twenty-first century.

That's Sophie Lewis, Scholar for Gender, Sexuality and Women.

What, then, is the way forward? Firstly, we must acknowledge that the total abolition of gender is, at this point, a utopian dream. Because gender is influenced by, and enshrined in, religion, medicine, law, culture and so on, its abolition involves the revision of the most foundational aspects of society.

That's from this article: https://www.cherwell.org/2021/10/09/...hy-it-matters/

Remember in the book when the author said she wanted everyone to be confused about her Gender?

That's a revolutionary statement. That is their end goal, they say it's their end goal, the quote philosophers who say it's their end goal - and yet when I point this out...

So before you try once again to assign me to a box, consider this....

In this debate, the only box(s) I've put you in are:

1: A reasonable Centrist
2: As right wing as I am when you made a Biological Essentialist argument

The latter being partially tongue in cheek, partially to make the point as to how far gone the other side is and how removed your reasonable ideas are from them.

I do subscribe to the saying if you do not vote, you lose the right to moan. I'm very unimpressed with Labor. I kinda thought Winston may have shot down and held them back from implementing worthwhile policy, but since having the numbers to rule alone, I now can see they are simply a shit Government that gets very little achieved - compared to what they could have done with the numbers they had - and squandered.

Why?

Here's a suggestion: Their policies are based on Marxist presuppositions which when translated into the real world don't work.

I stopped voting for greens 3 cycles ago when I considered actual green issues were not actually what they stood for.

Why?

Here's a suggestion: Their policies are based on Marxist presuppositions which when translated into the real world don't work.

I'm going to very carefully consider acts policies as well as national before deciding and holding my nose as I vote for the least shit bunch of pollies available. So I guess in a scathing way, I'm a swing voter - the very kind of voter that fucked over the wackadoodle republicans so called red wave.

There's no love lost for me from National, that said Chris Luxon has been saying the Magical R word a lot more recently - 'Repeal' which gives me some hope.

David Seymour - I mean it's no secret I'm a fanboy - but here's one snippet for you - I asked him a question about the 'Deep Marxist roots' - and he responded that he had read James Lindsay's work and was aware of the influence of the Frankfurt school.

Whether that gives you feelings of joy or feelings of dread, I'll leave that to you.

And a fun fact, my last post was censored by a KB moderator. I dared to use your first name in an attempt to show you this was me seriously trying to talk with you as a person, rather than our usual internet trolley type banter we both usually engage in. Apparently kb is no place for shock horror - first names! Fuck it is hardly doxing using a fairly common first name eh. I'm an Anthony - oh shit, I've done it again, how long will it be until my name gets censored.
Meh.

I know, I asked them nicely to, I know you know my name, I'm happy to engage in PM on a name basis, but I'm particular about my privacy in public.

Nothing personal, just a preference on my part.

[Berries]

What is wrong with Debbie as a name?

[pritch]

What is wrong with Debbie as a name?

It's probably OK. A bit unfortunate if she ives in Dallas, that creates unrealistic expectations.

[TheDemonLord]

It's probably OK. A bit unfortunate if she ives in Dallas, that creates unrealistic expectations.

Thanks to this comment, I now have bits of Christmas lunch running down my nose.

[pritch]

Following recent publicity about lawyers in the US being sanctioned for bringing silly legal actions, the judge has found against Kari Lake.

Ms Lake was alleging massive voter fraud in Maricopa County during the recent gubernatorial election. Her lawyers, basically incompetent, botched the case badly and instead of focussing on the allegation that there had been cheating, they went down a series of irrelevant rabbit holes.

In addition to finding against the allegation, the judge referred the lawyers for sanctions. Following recent publicity of lawyers being fined and others losing their law licence for bringing silly cases, we could be forgiven for thinking lawyers would be more careful. Apparently not.

Ms Lake says she will appeal. Assuming she can find lawyer?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...race-rcna63173

[pete376403]

Sorry, this is about cars but would be interested to hear the resident tesla expert opinion. Culled from a Facebook group:

Good to hear from people who actually tried this. I would only invest money in this electric car strategy if it did not make my transportation costs worse.

Personally, I always thought the left's plan for us was a pipe dream, and not well thought out.

Just goes to show you, what I was always taught, "Failing to plan is planning to fail." And, the 6-Ps, "Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance."

Seem like the lefties could use some of those lessons, instead they just stop at failure, and proceed on to another failure, and change no habits going forward. And tear down history so they don't have to look at their past.

Just goes to show you what emotional decision making will do for you, much less having someone else making emotional decisions for you.

Come back and talk to me in 10 years, I may reconsider committing my R&D dollars to a worthy cause. In the mean time don't waste my time or my dollars in stupid pursuits.


So the Tesla experiment has come to an end.

Heather and I each had one for the past 3 months and here are some things from our experience. When gas prices were $5 per gallon it seemed like a good thing to try.

Here are some Pro’s & Cons’s!

Pro’s:

1. Watching netflix on the huge screen looked and sounded like a movie theater!! Amazing actually ! Using the internet to listen to radio stations on line was so cool.

2. These cars are really quick and very fast! Felt almost as fast as the corvette !

3. high end speed was also fast. Easy to go over 100 mph. I always got to places quickly.

4. All kids were in awe of the Tesla!!!!

5. I had some warranty issues. I scheduled through the app and tesla came to my house. This was cool other then I had to leave it there during that window of time. They fixed my issues at no charge and texted me what they did. Pretty cool!

Con’s

1. My car said it would get 303 miles per charge. It really only get’s 200 miles in my opinion!!! These cars drain so fast! But when it gets to 80 miles left you need to be concerned. So it really only gets 160-170 true miles. This is not good !

2. Range anxiety is a real thing. This past weekend we took the car to new jersey. Made it there with 60 miles left. Plenty to get us to charging station. Went to the charging station I found In my phone and it was a mall!!! No charging station. Put the next one in my phone!!! Go to this station and had 6 miles left. Im glad it was not another mall. So yes this creates unwanted anxiety. So I would not want to go below 100 miles ever again. So really this is a 120-140 mile car when its not winter.

3. I heard when winter comes the anxiety is worse. Imagine running electric heat. I heard the numbers go way down from normal usage from other tesla owners. I cant imagine what this will do?!?!

4. The tires on this car can easily get damaged. My wife had two flat tires In her 3 months. And flat tires are a pain in the ass. She had to schedule through the tesla app. Only tesla could fix the tire. She needed a new one the first time $412. The next time it was a hole and it was $150. They will only fix a tire one time so the next time on that tire it needs a new one. Only tesla can fix tires. Not cool. These tires cut like butter. Dont drive off road at all and dont nick a curb at all!! This tire situation was a deal breaker for heather for sure because she hits curbs every day!!!

5. The car is too fast . I was bound to get a speeding ticket or an accident. Heather said I drove way too fast everywhere! Driving a 100 mph in this car is not a Good thing.

6. I charged this car on sunday and it was $43 to charge it at a tesla super station. This price to drive 170 mph is insane. The charging was free for me because of the rental program I was in. But I would never pay $72k for this car then pay that amount to charge it on trips!

7. My electric has gone so sky high at my house these past two months so its hard to actually know how much it is to charge a tesla at home. My guess is its between $75-$100 for one car for a month. I had thought it would be closer to $50 month. I can only see this cost rising.

8. Running electric to my garage was not cheap. My brother did it for $1,000 in materials but it would have been much more if we hired it out. This prob would have been a $3,500 job.

9. Winter was coming and we show/look at alot of houses. We could not risk driving a tesla based on charge or bad tires in this situation.

10. When going to a tesla super charging station it will charge the tesla to 80% in 25 min. But it takes another 25 min to get to 100%. 50-55 min is too long for a full charge. They also dont like you to fully charge the car all the time. What the heck!

Overall I think electric cars are not ready for us. They really lack what you need if you really have to drive somewhere. And its risky getting a flat tire on any road.

So we turned in our leases and bought 2 - 2021 dodge limited trucks with 30k miles on them. They were $54k each and with 100% bonus depreciation still in effect the real cost was $36k each. These trucks now are $78k brand new which is why buying used made sense. These just came off monthly rental programs. These will be safer, more reliable and more durable especially going into winter.

Peace out tesla for now!

[husaberg]

Following recent publicity about lawyers in the US being sanctioned for bringing silly legal actions, the judge has found against Kari Lake.

Ms Lake was alleging massive voter fraud in Maricopa County during the recent gubernatorial election. Her lawyers, basically incompetent, botched the case badly and instead of focussing on the allegation that there had been cheating, they went down a series of irrelevant rabbit holes.

In addition to finding against the allegation, the judge referred the lawyers for sanctions. Following recent publicity of lawyers being fined and others losing their law licence for bringing silly cases, we could be forgiven for thinking lawyers would be more careful. Apparently not.

Ms Lake says she will appeal. Assuming she can find lawyer?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...race-rcna63173

yet even in this lose she is in true trump style denial of reality
claiming it as a win


She tried another outright lie a month ago

[R650R]

This chaps videos do some great burns on Musk and he’s across both political spectrums with his other stuff too....

[R650R]

Some more Tesla semi design flaws....

At many places you go to you interact with a security gate window or lean out window and press a button. The Tesla does not have a drivers side opening window.
The door not being alongside driver means space is wasted by having a corridor instead of tool lockers or bunk/fridge....
The doors open wrong way negating chance to jump out in a runaway(although in practice this is rarely successful in normal trucks, the fantasy is reassuring).
Centre driving position doesn’t mean you have one mirror really close for detailed view when reversing, you’ve now got two bad sides. You can’t easily lean out and wipe rain off etc....

[husaberg]

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Replying to Pete376403

Tesla Model Y is the number 1selling car in New Zealand and the number 1 selling car in in increasingly many countries

It is no secret it will take over the Toyota Corolla as the number 1 selling car in the world in 2023

Tesla spend $0 on advertising, they rely on customer satisfaction and word of mouth from Tesla owners and as you can see being the number 1 selling car in many countries and eventually the world..
it's working , 76k is alot of money to be a short term trend.

Buying a Tesla is an investment and the upper middle class understand this.

A minority of Tesla haters on social media platforms don't have the sway to change peoples minds on Tesla.

Those of you who say this thread is loosing it's way is your typical woke ideological drivin leftist who would prefer to shout down a discussion they are loosing.

I don't need a ridiculous long boring post too easily debunk many of you.

[R650R]

Replying to Pete376403

Tesla Model Y is the number 1selling car in New Zealand and the number 1 selling car in in increasingly many countries

It is no secret it will take over the Toyota Corolla as the number 1 selling car in the world in 2023

Tesla spend $0 on advertising, they rely on customer satisfaction and word of mouth from Tesla owners and as you can see being the number 1 selling car in many countries and eventually the world..
it's working , 76k is alot of money to be a short term trend.

Buying a Tesla is an investment and the upper middle class understand this.

A minority of Tesla haters on social media platforms don't have the sway to change peoples minds on Tesla.

Those of you who say this thread is loosing it's way is your typical woke ideological drivin leftist who would prefer to shout down a discussion they are loosing.

I don't need a ridiculous long boring post too easily debunk many of you.

Tesla is NOT the number one selling car in NZ, it might be the number 1 in EV but an EV does not match the overall package of a normal car.

So they sold 3000 or so bd total private new sales at 111,000 for 2021.

So about 0.05% of population bought a Tesla or one person in each 1660 people.

[george formby]

Tesla is NOT the number one selling car in NZ, it might be the number 1 in EV but an EV does not match the overall package of a normal car.

So they sold 3000 or so bd total private new sales at 111,000 for 2021.

So about 0.05% of population bought a Tesla or one person in each 1660 people.

For a bit of perspective on the unfolding Tesla domination...

In November Tesla sold 100'291 vehicles in China. Just one of their competitors in that market, BYD, sold 229'942 vehicles in the same month.

The top selling EV brand in Europe is Mercedes...

I suspect this will be a growing trend. Tesla is in a marathon not a sprint and the rest of the field are now breathing down Tesla's neck.