Stupid World

[Akzle]

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Yeah. Removing money will Totally fix all the problems....

yae but there are assburgers who ENJOY coding shit, and would do more, if they didn't have to waste 40 hours a week to feed their redbull and pringles habits. (see: israel's use of assburgers in teh miltary)

look at how much m0ar better linux/gnu is compared to teh winblows and consider that was basically all done in people's spare times. rather than by a bajillion jewgold mnc. I rest my suitcase.

also. use case statements. and fail-over settings. also, look at imaging that shit to deploy rather than running script.

[Ocean1]

the abbos were doing quite well for a few years
So were the American Indians
the Inuit

half of Africa

Hell even the welsh ....( ok I made that bit up ....)

not a penny between em , til the east India co ltd showed up ........

You mean except for the life expectancy of 12, the 80% infant mortality rates, persistent tribal warfare, the endemic parasitism, frequent plagues and the constant starvation.

Apart from that it was fucking paradise eh?

If only the bastard Europeans hadn't showed up with their fancy money and shit eh?

Seems to me you and mushman orta go find a nice cave together somewhere.

[TheDemonLord]

yae but there are assburgers who ENJOY coding shit, and would do more, if they didn't have to waste 40 hours a week to feed their redbull and pringles habits. (see: israel's use of assburgers in teh miltary)

I agree there are those that like to code as a Hobby, however are they proficient enough to do it in a professional capacity? Sure, there are some that are - but they are a small group - if we take your Aspergers comment - that's 0.5% of the population....

look at how much m0ar better linux/gnu is compared to teh winblows and consider that was basically all done in people's spare times. rather than by a bajillion jewgold mnc. I rest my suitcase.

Yeah... No.

Outside of the webserver market and custom application market (ie the LHC computer system), Microsoft dominates.

Linux is good - however as a simple case: is it httpd, apache or apache2? Well, that depends on your distro - if I install Firefox on ANY Windows OS, it is always firefox - Microsoft achieves a level of consistency that is unmatched by the Open source world - and that is precisely because of the closed, top down way that Microsoft operates compared to the way that open source is done.

And I'd pick up that suitcase - cause do you know who is the single largest contributor to Open Source software? It's Microsoft.

also. use case statements. and fail-over settings. also, look at imaging that shit to deploy rather than running script.

Can't image it - cause that will result in duplicate SIDs, Sysprep breaks a number of the customizations - so yeah, Scripting was the correct way to go.

[bogan]

From a purely tech point of view:

I recently did an automation of building a particular flavour of Web server and thought I'd add some perspective for the thread:


time it took to do all the 26 pages worth of steps manually manually - about 2-3 hours, give or take
time it took to write an automation script to programatically do all the work in that 26 pages: probably about 50-60 hours all up.

given that this is going to be used to deploy ~10 web servers initially - you might ask why we automated it - and the answer was that in that 26 pages of steps to fully set up said server, there are 26 pages of steps for potential Human error.

Now, I should note (for those that care) that the way I went about automating it was not particularly elegant - I'll explain

An elegant way to automate (for a given setting/value) would be something like this:

Check particular setting
if(
setting = value, then exit
)
else(
set setting to value, then exit
)
catch error(
If error message = 0x10 then append to log "The requested setting was not present, if installing a new version of product, check to see if location has change)
If error message = 0x03 then append to log "This script needs to be run with administrator/root privledges, please re-run with appropriate permissions)
)
exit

which simplified means that the script checks a particular setting, if it isn't set to the right value, it sets it to the right value then moves on, if it gets an error code, it interprets the error code to output a useful, human understandable error message

However, my automation script (because it is only ever going to be applied to a virgin server build) doesn't do any of that, it simply clobbers the setting, assumes it has works and carries on:

Set setting to Value and exit

which as you can see, is less physical code and therefore quicker to write, however it has some downsides that if any of the assumed initial input parameters are changed, then it will fail and error.

Now comes the point for the Closet Marxists who think Automation will solve all our problems:

In the absence of Money, is it going to make writing automation code any quicker?
Is it going to enable the common man or woman to write some scripts or code in order to complete a complex series of tasks?
Does the common man or woman even have the ability to think through all the actual and possible steps in even simple day-to-day tasks?

In fact - here's a video that does a really good demonstration of how complex writing a procedure to make something as simple as a Peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich can be, to highlight the above point (with the Dad doing an excellent job of interpreting the commands as a computer or non-AI system would do:

Just think of this - The robot ASIMO was developed over a period of about twenty years - and whilst extremely impressive - it's capabilities are matched by the average Toddler.

Yeah. Removing money will Totally fix all the problems....

Precisly, and that is software focused automation, where APIs can tell you all you need to know. Try that for meat space production, even with fiducials, uniform loose parts can be a nightmare to process, the ability to easily automate the processing of unmarked and non-uniform loose parts or raw material is unlikely to provide a resource saving on anything but the most massively produced goods (of which there would be fewer in an RBE anyway). The notion that we can automate even half the processes with today's technology is quite absurd.

[Scuba_Steve]

Outside of the webserver market and custom application market (ie the LHC computer system), Microsoft dominates.

and smart appliance market, smartyphone market, console market, smarty cars, networking, NAS, & any market that isn't the "PC" market, outside of that MS "dominates". But even then it's not a testament to high quality is it, GM was #1 in cars for awhile there, Harley currently sits #2 in bikes so just means they have better marketing depts

And I'd pick up that suitcase - cause do you know who is the single largest contributor to Open Source software? It's Microsoft.

Correction: People affiliated with MS were the highest company affiliated contributors to Github in 2016
A slight but big difference

[Akzle]

I agree there are those that like to code as a Hobby, however are they proficient enough to do it in a professional capacity? Sure, there are some that are - but they are a small group - if we take your Aspergers comment - that's 0.5% of the population....

whom could do the same work as the x% currently employed who do it because they have a passing interest in it. and money.

Outside of the webserver market and custom application market (ie the LHC computer system), Microsoft dominates.

for reasons unbeknownst to... pretty much anyone who's put any thought into it.
i wont hold my breath that you're going to have a spare thought any time soon.

Linux is good - however as a simple case: is it httpd, apache or apache2? Well, that depends on your distro -

eh. no. that depends what you set the fuck up. and you do have those choices.

if I install Firefox on ANY Windows OS, it is always firefox -

and if you install firefox on ANY nix OS.... hey fuck me, it's firefox....

Microsoft achieves a level of consistency that is unmatched by the Open source world

yes, but consistently shit is still shit.

And I'd pick up that suitcase - cause do you know who is the single largest contributor to Open Source software? It's Microsoft.

[bogan]

Why are you guys suggesting there would only be one OS in a money free society? does removing money means people's choices must be curtailed as well?

[TheDemonLord]

Why are you guys suggesting there would only be one OS in a money free society? does removing money means people's choices must be curtailed as well?

Well, once the Politburo is in charge and deciding what can and can't get manufactured - that is what will curtail the choice - but don't tell Mashman that, He'll throw a fit and block you...

[TheDemonLord]

and smart appliance market, smartyphone market, console market, smarty cars, networking, NAS, & any market that isn't the "PC" market, outside of that MS "dominates".

Okay fair points - I should have included closed systems, however in the corporate world - Active Directory is the defacto standard, Exchange is the largest market share for on-premise Email, in the SME market, Office 365 has been massive, MS SQL is either first or second in terms of deployment.

But even then it's not a testament to high quality is it, GM was #1 in cars for awhile there, Harley currently sits #2 in bikes so just means they have better marketing depts

True, true. The 2 key points with MS is nearly universal hardware support and ease of use. Their 2 biggest issues - namely security and reliability have been massively improved over the last 15 years. They've also been busy implementing the best ideas from the Opensource world - just look at how far Powershell has come.

Correction: People affiliated with MS were the highest company affiliated contributors to Github in 2016
A slight but big difference

Touche.

[TheDemonLord]

whom could do the same work as the x% currently employed who do it because they have a passing interest in it. and money.

What makes you think they aren't already doing just that? I'd suggest the reason why we have so many people who are 'normal' getting into coding is simply because we have more jobs that require programmers than we have programmers to begin with. And that is without the requirement of Automating everything....

for reasons unbeknownst to... pretty much anyone who's put any thought into it.
i wont hold my breath that you're going to have a spare thought any time soon.

There's plenty of reasons to choose a Windows based solution of a Linux based one

eh. no. that depends what you set the fuck up. and you do have those choices.

Eh. Yes. The same application is installed under a different name on different Distros of Linux.

and if you install firefox on ANY nix OS.... hey fuck me, it's firefox....

That's nice, but my point above is valid.

yes, but consistently shit is still shit.

Not necessarily - if a system is predictable in it's operation, it's actually quite a good thing. I'd take a crash that happens for a specific input over and intermittent fault any day of the week. But either way - MS have a level of Consistency that the Opensource market had never achieved. Especially for different Hardware combinations (although to be fair, Linux is nowhere near as bad as it used to be)

[pritch]

It's just as well computers never malfunction, otherwise something like this would be scary.


http://newatlas.com/kalashnikov-ai-w...b799e-90148181

[bogan]

It's just as well computers never malfunction, otherwise something like this would be scary.


http://newatlas.com/kalashnikov-ai-w...b799e-90148181

Info on that one is pretty scarce though, could be overstated or fake news. And let's face it, humans don't have a great track record in correctly identifying friend or foe, in warzone or civilian...

[Katman]

Info on that one is pretty scarce though, could be overstated or fake news.

As peddled by your favourite peddler of fake news.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...-machine-guns/

[Akzle]

There's plenty of reasons to choose a Windows based solution of a Linux based one

asides from direct x and "cos we always have" - name one.

Eh. Yes. The same application is installed under a different name on different Distros of Linux.



That's nice, but my point above is valid.

so i see you have little to no grasp of dæmons. ironic, given your handle. (double pun boojah)

also, what's it called when implemented in winblows? xp? nt? 7? 10? is it the same shit? and is THAT the same as linux? or macos? or BSD?

and so yae - the (basically two) forks of linux do things differently. efficiently, consistently, but differently to each other.
the fact that your choice with M$ is limited to 1, the fact that M$ does it differently (worse in every way conceivable)....doesn't negate my point. so no. your point is invalid on matters of fact.

Not necessarily - if a system is predictable in it's operation, it's actually quite a good thing. I'd take a crash that happens for a specific input over and intermittent fault any day of the week. But either way - MS have a level of Consistency that the Opensource market had never achieved. Especially for different Hardware combinations (although to be fair, Linux is nowhere near as bad as it used to be)

i'm picking your rather young to the computing. M$ is shit and fails for so many half assed excuses for reasons. BSOD. look that shit up. that shit's ingrained and happens for...no good reason ever.
the shotgun-blast approach to compatibility is bollocks. (and makes for an obese narwhal of an already fucked system) the historically shit support of OEMs has not been conducive to epic dev (but epic dev has happened in spite of) and that's something to do with.... oh right, money.
hey, ever thought that money has fucked everything up and the world is a shittier place cos of it? i mean. you could be playing CoD on linux right now for free... but jews.

oh well. better luck next time.

[Ocean1]

Y'know, it amuses me no end whenever the dole bludgery at large hates the fuck outa the cash moneys thing as a tool of the despised capitalist oppressors.

Spending the alms of their betters all the while...