London underground Explodes

[crashe]

I have finally heard back re the two I posted about earlier last night.

The guy who was on the bus and the cell phone went dead while chatting to my friend. Is OK, he was told to get off his bus and run... so he must have been right near it all.

My friend who lives and works in London. I got a email back this morning.
"Yes today I was to go into Russell Squsare for a haircut - but all services have been cut so no haircut. Fortuneatly I was at a meeting in Roehampton - miles from the city centre... all a bit worrying though."

So I am pleased to have heard back about them both and that they are ok.

TV1 say 50 dead and TV3 say 37 dead.
I guess it wil be a while to get the correct total or dead and injured.

[Mooch]

This link is probably more up to date than the news in NZ.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4661059.stm

[TonyB]

I have finally heard back re the two I posted about earlier last night.

That's good news crashe. I'm trying to contact some freinds over there also. Looks like it will take a while to hear back.

And Ghost Lemur....mate I dunno what to say...your timing is appalling. Nearly everyone on this thread is trying to find out if personal freinds or family members are OK. This is neither the right time nor the right place to make your point.

[Paul in NZ]

As I grow older... I'm constantly dismayed by the actions of my species and especially the lengths to which they will go to assert dominance over each other for essentially intangible things.....

London will survive... It's survived worse than this and the bombers knew that so one can only assume that they had another aim... Goodness knows what that was and how it could be worth this price...

But that is cold comfort to those that have been injured or killed. It won't stop there will it. Families without fathers/mothers/siblings, countless hours of pain recovering and another generation of hate and fear... Honestly... I just feel so sad about this.... (not to mention furiously angry but I try to manage that bit)

If you have suffered loss in this or similar, point making actions, you have my deepest sympathy. I don't pray, I don't believe in God but I do believe in the human spirit and if it is possible to draw strength from the good will of others, then I open mine to you for you to take what you need of it... This is just so sad...

Even sadder....

We are now one step closer to the choice... To the hell these idiots seek to loose on us all... If I did pray, I'd be praying we step back, take a deep breath and flick the safety catch back on... There is enough sadness without that!

Paul N

ps - brain dead bitch of the year goes to the fucking stupid cow on TV last night right after the plea from the Lodon Police to the media NOT to get in the way or speculate until they had time to get in all the reports and find out what was happening....

She asked a local guy - "I know we were just asked not to speculate on what caused this but what do you think happened?"

I ask you.....

[bugjuice]

lol.. after a heart felt piece, and very well written, that 'PS' was off the bat, huh Paul?!

I think they just wanted to cause chaos. And that they did. I'm surprised they didn't go for bigger targets like the London bridge, or Big Ben etc..

[placidfemme]

lol.. after a heart felt piece, and very well written, that 'PS' was off the bat, huh Paul?!

I think they just wanted to cause chaos. And that they did. I'm surprised they didn't go for bigger targets like the London bridge, or Big Ben etc..

Or the Live Aide concert with how many thousands of people or the protesters at the G8 thingy...

But in a way, its shut down the transport system for 1000's of commuters and put fear into anyone else who wants to use the subway... and buses...

The things that gets me is... People in London did a march against the war in Iraq... how many people where there... thousands... and the terrorists attacked them... the innocents who marched to help them (kinda) and they blew them up... thats just dumb, now those 1000's that marched against the war are going to be all "kill the bastards". They've just gone and made more enemys... they're not that smart... they're just cowards and murderers

[bugjuice]

they should just build a huge wall round their country, get out the innocent kids (not the ones touting machine guns), and fill it with water..
How many other countries are causing this much shit?

[placidfemme]

yeah... one big swimming pool... would also erradicate (sp?) drought in the surrounding countrys... would make them richer... reduce world debt and famine... that sounds like a good idea

[Edit] This is post number 666

[v.ros`]

naah i reckon they should put this into practise:

Every country will not interfere with other countrys' problems...that way, eventually everyone will get off their as and survive for themselves, remove the bad leaders, solve their problems, earn money from their OWN resources, and that way, there will be no need for bombs like this...

Thats my other 2 cents.

[TonyB]

The things that gets me is... People in London did a march against the war in Iraq... how many people where there... thousands... and the terrorists attacked them... the innocents who marched to help them (kinda) and they blew them up... thats just dumb, now those 1000's that marched against the war are going to be all "kill the bastards". They've just gone and made more enemys... they're not that smart... they're just cowards and murderers

Assuming this was done by Muslim Extremists, as I understand it, anyone who is not a member of their particular religious sect is an infidel (SP?) and therefore killing them is not a crime. To them, infidels are unimportant- it does not matter if you kill them- infact it gives you greater stature in the eyes of their god.

[v.ros`]

well actually , being a Muslim, that is wrong Tony B. those extremists might belive that but Islam doesnt state any of thay at all. In fact, Islam tells us to live and respect every other religion in this world. Thats why during the 6th century (when the Prophet was living in the middle east), he allowed every religion - including the Jews to live in middle east and he respected them.

The way I see it, they are killing innocent people in the west as a result of west attacking their country - Iraq and Afghanistan and I wont be surprised if Iran is next on the list. Now dont get me wrong, im not saying what they did was good, all I am saying is under their eyes, some innocent people were killed in their country thru the war and so they feel its perfectly legit to go and kill innocent in the west.

And Islam does state that you will go to Heaven ONLY IF you kill your enemies IN A WAR. Not killing innocent people like this or 9/11 style.

[bugjuice]

how about people just stop blowing shit up. Leave each other's countries alone, and stop fukin bickerin like school kids.

[MSTRS:Me]

they should just build a huge wall round their country, get out the innocent kids (not the ones touting machine guns), and fill it with water..
How many other countries are causing this much shit?

But which country?? These lower-order bipeds are from all over, and include the sympathisers that dwell amongst us. In saying that, I agree with your sentiments.

[Waylander]

And Islam does state that you will go to Heaven ONLY IF you kill your enemies IN A WAR. Not killing innocent people like this or 9/11 style.

Heh, then they just claim Jihad and have a ready made excuse.

Killing innocents is never exceptable by any nation. Doesn't matter if it's government condonde or alledgedly allowed by god.

[Drunken Monkey]

And Islam does state that you will go to Heaven ONLY IF you kill your enemies IN A WAR. Not killing innocent people like this or 9/11 style.

Hence the guise of Jihad, to the extremists this is part of the Holy War.

As touched on by others, this is a result of foreign policy, specifically US foreign policy. Of course, now that its started, one can't be seen to back down lest other groups use the same methods to effect their own 'foreign policy'.

And to those who ask 'why', I put forward it is simply what anyone in a desperate and/or hopeless situation would do. Ordinary people in ordinary circumstances rarely (if ever) perform extreme actions. The US media has done a great job of de-sensitising the average Westerner to the situation in the middle east. However 'extreme' they are made to look, the average person is no different to you or I = they just want to go on with their lives in their own country without some friggen superpower bossing them around.
Unfortunately they are not rich enough or militarily powerful enough to protect themselves from US foreign policy. What do you do when you can't fight someone with 'conventional' methods - you use 'unconventional' methods, in this case upsetting foreign government by terrorising unprotected civilians.

I'm not condoning the action by any stretch of the word, just trying to help people understand.