MNZ rule change proposals

[Robert Taylor]

Thanks for your input Robert and I’m sure you make some very valid points. However, DON’T try and drag me into your pathetic feud with Kerry as it is none of your business who I associate with.

In reality I am just a racer with a budget trying to get an idea of how much I need to do to my suspension to have a competitive bike. When I saw the word ‘open’ in the rules it doesn’t fill me with confidence that this class is really aimed at keeping costs down – can you blame me?!

As you pointed out so many times, I said that the suspension in my R6 is just fine. This does not make it dangerous and if it needs a spring change at other tracks then so be it but it has been implemented as a low cost solution within the spirit of the rules.

The way I see it is that, if the rules were tighter, then that leaves less room to spend money. OK so the laptimes might suffer but that’s not the point.

Of course its no-ones business who's bed you choose to lie upon. But it is everyones business who are interested in the class that there are solid facts, and in this case there are very brazen lies that have been mischievously perpetuated. Exactly why I commented with solid facts.
What really worries me about any people in all walks of life that are full of BS is they are also predisposed to telling lies.
I suggest you re-read the rules and look at the costings I presented. If you find a cheaper price with whomever you associate with then good on you. There is nothing against people spending less, as much as there is nothing against people choosing to spend up to $400 on a shock piston kit to provide a small gain. Within stock shock bodies and shaft diameters there are practical limitations of what you can do anyway. That automatically limits the cost. The same for cartridge bodies and shafts in front forks having to remain essentially stock aside from cartridge tubes allowed to be ''vented''
That is in fact a concession to cost as vented cartridges allow 2 pistons only to be run instead of 4, thereby halving the cost of piston purchase. Note also that not all pistons are suitable for revalving.
Aftermarket top caps are excluded as are aftermarket damping adjusters, because both items are in fact quite expensive.
Extremely tight rules require rigid scrutineering and that is a headache in itself. It also encourages very creative solutions within the rules and that is inevitably more expensive. Ive been around for more than a few laps of the sun and have in past years been involved in karting and seen exactly what goes on within their classes with very tight rules. More than a few championships have been decided in a court of law.
Superstock 600 class is about keeping the costs down, but not to levels that will create unacceptable compromises. You only need to look at Prolite 250's, no spring changes are allowed so very light and heavy competitors are automatically disadvantaged.

[Robert Taylor]

Andrew has the number I want

Thats the spirit Choppa! A man of ambition.

[TonyB]

I have yet to race at the Nats, BUT about 3 seasons ago I got sick of turning up at club meets and being asked to change my number because someone else had it (or visa versa), so I applied for a number with my licence. This was under the old system before it went online, so I sent them three 2 digit options. MNZ assigned me a 3 digit number that bared no relation to the numbers I put forward (well I did pick 1 of the 3)... and now I can't race with it if I turn up at a Nats round? Brilliant!

[gixerracer]

May I suggest to all that are soooooooooooo upset about having a 2 didgit number, if this is of such concern to you I dont think you are mentally ready to do the Nationals

[gixerracer]

Andrew has the number I want

Wait your turn

[Kevin G]

I heard a figure that Jaden Hassans Superstock 600 cost 7k in suspension ( which it did not ) Now who deliberately spread that malicious lie?

Actually Greg Hassan stood up at the MNZ conference and told everyone that was the value of the work done on his Sons suspension....

[puddytat]

That is only regarding number board size. The is no mention as to the size of the numbers, other than they must be "clearly legible", which is somewhat subjective.

Dunno what rule book your reading...
"figures must be clearly legible to the following minimum dimensions
Height of figures 160mm
Width of figures 100mm
space between figures 20mm
Width of stroke 30mm

[Robert Taylor]

Actually Greg Hassan stood up at the MNZ conference and told everyone that....

Well ( and I get on well with Greg )he perhaps must have been smoking something halluciogenic that day, Ive got copies of the invoices and its about 25-30 % of such a preposterous figure. Id loved to have charged him 7K but Im not Adidas/ Rebel Sports! Midges was about the same.

Or, it was cost inclusive of other aftermarket parts and bits and bobs, perhaps Greg was quite innocently not specific enough in his description.

But if this is where it may have started then other people with their own agendas have delighted in picking up that ball and kept repeating to anyone who will listen to the effect ''this is more expensive than fitting aftermarket suspension''. Which of course is complete and utter BS.

[Robert Taylor]

Wait your turn

Thats the spirit also!

[steveyb]

Thats the spirit also!

Tell him he's dreaming son!

[Biggles08]

May I suggest to all that are soooooooooooo upset about having a 2 didgit number, if this is of such concern to you I dont think you are mentally ready to do the Nationals

I'm mentally ready....I'm so mental in fact I'm actually going to do the Nats!

[lukemillar]

Dunno what rule book your reading...
"figures must be clearly legible to the following minimum dimensions
Height of figures 160mm
Width of figures 100mm
space between figures 20mm
Width of stroke 30mm

Really? I can't see that in there!? Must be going blind....

[Shaun]

Pre race inspection (scrutineering) has normally been aimed at safety rather than eligibility

BOLLOCKS, I have read this statement on here by others also. I have spent years and years invloved in NZ racing in the Nth Island any way. Scruitineering has ALWAYS been about SAFETY first and also to High light to the competitor that Numbers and back grounds are NOT elligable with in the rules , the oint to the scruitineering of the numbers and boards is so the MARSHALLS can see the numbers clearly, to help make the racing safer.

If A Club can run a race metting with NO INSPECTION at all? How the HELL can THEY complain about competitors NOT having MNZ Reccognised numbers?

This whole issue is pathetic, and just another SOFT COCK KIWI created problem, that never really was there in the first place

The NZ PC world lives on

[Robert Taylor]

Pre race inspection (scrutineering) has normally been aimed at safety rather than eligibility

BOLLOCKS, I have read this statement on here by others also. I have spent years and years invloved in NZ racing in the Nth Island any way. Scruitineering has ALWAYS been about SAFETY first and also to High light to the competitor that Numbers and back grounds are NOT elligable with in the rules , the oint to the scruitineering of the numbers and boards is so the MARSHALLS can see the numbers clearly, to help make the racing safer.

If A Club can run a race metting with NO INSPECTION at all? How the HELL can THEY complain about competitors NOT having MNZ Reccognised numbers?

This whole issue is pathetic, and just another SOFT COCK KIWI created problem, that never really was there in the first place

The NZ PC world lives on

Ive got the copyright on BOLLOCKS Shaun. But yes, there absolutely should be scrutineering, for both reasons of safety and eligibility.
( Cynically ) there should also be a spending cap on numbers!

[crazzed]

I hope everyone is using the feedback option on mnz web site to voice there opinion. I have. Look at it also if you already have a two digit number how would you like someone else using it. Mnz will alocate it for a meeting or two. How does this look for sponsers. You may not be allocated the same number each time. Who pays for re sign writing your race number for each race. The same number maybe used for two or three differant riders throughout the nationals Mnz to closed minded only thinking one race at a time. My two cents anyways carry on as you were.