MNZ rule change proposals

[Shaun]

I hope everyone is using the feedback option on mnz web site to voice there opinion. I have. Look at it also if you already have a two digit number how would you like someone else using it. Mnz will alocate it for a meeting or two. How does this look for sponsers. You may not be allocated the same number each time. Who pays for re sign writing your race number for each race. The same number maybe used for two or three differant riders throughout the nationals Mnz to closed minded only thinking one race at a time. My two cents anyways carry on as you were.

Sorry buddy, but once again the ATTACH on MNZ is NOT fair nor called for. The Numbers rules have been in the rule book for years, ( High lighted by a post from Oyster) it is CLUBS and RIDERS NOT acting to the rule book that causes this problem, then along comes the Internet to make it spread and get worse

[crazzed]

Sorry buddy, but once again the ATTACH on MNZ is NOT fair nor called for. The Numbers rules have been in the rule book for years, ( High lighted by a post from Oyster) it is CLUBS and RIDERS NOT acting to the rule book that causes this problem, then along comes the Internet to make it spread and get worse

MNZ need to man up and get the clubs to enforce rules not change them because they the clubs cant be arsed enforcing them. I have a three digit number that complies and took that number for personal reasons. Its always a minority that fuck it for the majority. As stated ive used the mnz feedback option.

[Tony.OK]

Number sizes
10-2-3 (or relevant Appendix.)
It's all there, always has been

Trouble is its not there anymore

Dunno what rule book your reading...
"figures must be clearly legible to the following minimum dimensions
Height of figures 160mm
Width of figures 100mm
space between figures 20mm
Width of stroke 30mm

Thats from a couple of years ago.

The Numbers rules have been in the rule book for years, ( High lighted by a post from Oyster)

Thats just the problem fella...........its all been altered at some stage and no one is checking.

Just to put this to bed.........................as of today the rules on MNZ website rulebook.

10.2.3 ROAD RACING

Appendix’s A, C, G and I the following rules apply:

Number Boards
Size: Minimum width 285mm, minimum height 235mm, oval or
rectangular in shape.

Placement: Fairing, front of fairing one number board facing forward.
Numbers may also be placed on both sides of the fairing
Rear Tailpiece; minimum of one number on rear seat tailpiece.

All other classes the following apply:
Number Boards
Size: Minimum width 285mm, minimum height 235mm, oval or
rectangular in shape.
Placement: 3 number boards to be affixed or placed upon the motorcycle,
in colours required for the class as follows:
Front: Facing forwards, with not more than 30 degrees forwards from
vertical.
Sides: One either side of the motorcycle in a position clearly visible
when the rider (and passenger for sidecars) is seated in their
usual riding position.

In a place on separate boards, a space of equivalent size and shape can be on
the bodywork or streamlining.

Figures all classes:
Figures must be clearly legible and both numbers and
backgrounds must be in a non-gloss finish
A plain form of figure shall be used.
Colours:
125cc & 150 S/S White background, black figures
Prolite Orange background black figures
Superlite Black background, white figures

600 SuperSport Yellow background, black figures
Superbike White background, black figures
Sidecars – Formula One White background, black figures
Sidecars – Formula Two Yellow background, black figures
Pro Twin Orange background, black figures
600 Superstock Black background yellow figures
1000 Superstock Red background yellow figures

Miniature Road Racing:
Up to 50cc White background, black figures
Open Black background, white figures
Sidecars Black background, white figures

Classic and Post Classic:
Up to 250cc Dark Green background, white
figures
Up to 350cc Blue background, white figures
Up to 500cc Yellow background, black figures
Open Red background, white figures
Only FIM Licence holders will be permitted to use letters.
All other markings or number plates on the motorcycle likely to cause
confusion must be removed or covered over.

And all apendixes A,B,C,F,G & H state the following for number boards......

Number Plate Colours and placement:
Refer to GCR (to be advised)

Maybe people need to throw away old rule books as they are not current anymore. Time to submit ideas re the proposed changes and get all this clarified and sorted?

The entire MNZ rulebook can be found here......http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2010%2...20chapters.pdf which is where I have pasted the above from.

[Kickaha]

BOLLOCKS, I have read this statement on here by others also. I have spent years and years involved in NZ racing in the Nth Island any way. Scruitineering has ALWAYS been about SAFETY first and also to High light to the competitor that Numbers and back grounds are NOT eligible with in the rules , the oint to the scruitineering of the numbers and boards is so the MARSHALLS can see the numbers clearly, to help make the racing safer.

Bollocks you grumpy little Ginga tosser, you seem to forget that some of us might have been around race tracks for a few years as well

I have had bikes scrutineered dozen of times not once has any class eligibility items been checked, I have watched scrutineering on dozens of time and not once seen a bike turned down for eligibility despite having illegal numbers, wrong colour number boards, I have also raced in classes against bikes that weren't eligible for the class I was in

If A Club can run a race metting with NO INSPECTION at all? How the HELL can THEY complain about competitors NOT having MNZ Recognized numbers?

Wouldn't matter because even if they did do inspection/scrutineer its about safety not eligibility

[Shaun]

Bollocks you grumpy little Ginga tosser, you seem to forget that some of us might have been around race tracks for a few years as well

I have had bikes scrutineered dozen of times not once has any class eligibility items been checked, I have watched scrutineering on dozens of time and not once seen a bike turned down for eligibility despite having illegal numbers, wrong colour number boards, I have also raced in classes against bikes that weren't eligible for the class I was in



Wouldn't matter because even if they did do inspection/scrutineer its about safety not eligibility

I Retire again

[Kickaha]

I Retire again

You'll change your mind before you go to bed

[slowpoke]

I don't understand you guys: "racing is too expensive", "make racing cheaper", "I can't afford to race" etc etc.......

.......now MNZ make the cost of numbers 33.3% cheaper (for the lucky 3 digit number racers) and you're still complaining? Sheesh, what does it take to make you people happy?

[crazzed]

I don't understand you guys: "racing is too expensive", "make racing cheaper", "I can't afford to race" etc etc.......

.......now MNZ make the cost of numbers 33.3% cheaper (for the lucky 3 digit number racers) and you're still complaining? Sheesh, what does it take to make you people happy?

Spud you suck

[Ivan]

do these rules go for supermoto to? im guessing so as it says all road race classes going to suck for the mx guys who supermoto mitch rowe toby summers etc have there numbers in mx allocated 3 didgits like myne 159 and have to change numbers just to race wanganui and try series

[crazzed]

do these rules go for supermoto to? im guessing so as it says all road race classes going to suck for the mx guys who supermoto mitch rowe toby summers etc have there numbers in mx allocated 3 didgits like myne 159 and have to change numbers just to race wanganui and try series

MNZ need to change it to allow 3 digit numbers if they are to regs.

[MSTRS:Me]

Re scrutineering...
It's been said before, but I'll repeat it.
Many (all?) clubs have taken legal advice around the issue of liability. If a club scrutineers, and passes, a bike which then later suffers a catastrophic failure (of say the headstock) then the club is liable for any costs deriving from that event. Whereas, if the club states that safety/suitability of a bike is down to the rider, then the club has no liability if something does go wrong.

But that's racing, I hear you say. Yes, but OSH etc don't recognise that.
Blame Nanny State for this state of affairs.

[Deano]

But that's racing, I hear you say. Yes, but OSH etc don't recognise that.
Blame Nanny State for this state of affairs.

It is crazy eh - they're (OSH etc) basically saying it's better to be ignorant than possibly miss something.

But if ya don't check, ya miss everything !

[Mental Trousers]

do these rules go for supermoto to? im guessing so as it says all road race classes going to suck for the mx guys who supermoto mitch rowe toby summers etc have there numbers in mx allocated 3 didgits like myne 159 and have to change numbers just to race wanganui and try series

Wanganui and the Tri Series aren't part of the Nationals. At least for the majority of road racing classes they're not. I don't know if it's different for Super Moto.

[Robert Taylor]

Re scrutineering...
It's been said before, but I'll repeat it.
Many (all?) clubs have taken legal advice around the issue of liability. If a club scrutineers, and passes, a bike which then later suffers a catastrophic failure (of say the headstock) then the club is liable for any costs deriving from that event. Whereas, if the club states that safety/suitability of a bike is down to the rider, then the club has no liability if something does go wrong.

But that's racing, I hear you say. Yes, but OSH etc don't recognise that.
Blame Nanny State for this state of affairs.

Arguably the fatality at Hampton Downs wouldnt have occured had the bike been pre-checked by an expert, there were several things wrong with that bike, most notably very bad suspension setup. Ok it was a track day but the same issues apply.

There has got to be a way of circumventing all of this PC nonsense without liability then applying to the body that checks the machines. This is an unsatisfactory situation.

[gixerracer]

Arguably the fatality at Hampton Downs wouldnt have occured had the bike been pre-checked by an expert, there were several things wrong with that bike, most notably very bad suspension setup. Ok it was a track day but the same issues apply.

There has got to be a way of circumventing all of this PC nonsense without liability then applying to the body that checks the machines. This is an unsatisfactory situation.

WTF so you want to be at scruternering? Now and check everybodys suspension man we will need to be there at 5am