Rossi the moaner!

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's done me well, got to sit on a plane once next to a Thalidomide chap, had the arm rests all to myself I did.

Like having a drink at the smallest pub in the world. The Thalidomide Arms.

[Shaun]

Like having a drink at the smallest pub in the world. The Thalidomide Arms.

or those Thalidomide HANDLE BARS ON HOGS

[Badjelly]

Every day we make decisions based on what we think we know, and on what we know we don't know

Sure. But your complete rejection (which is how it came across) of the report on Fukushima risks seems at odds with the pragmatism you're claiming.

I don't know what the risks would be for riders and participants at Motegi, but everything I've read and seen suggests they are tiny. Unless the radiation levels are trillions(*) of times higher than "they" are telling us.

You don't have to go, fine. I'd be perfectly happy to go if someone would pay me. (That sounded like an offer, Shaun. Frosty didn't come through, I'm afraid.)

The riders are entitled not to go, sure. And they're entitled to pay the penalties for not fulfilling their contracts.

(*) OK, I made that number up.

[Oscar]

Sure. But your complete rejection (which is how it came across) of the report on Fukushima risks seems at odds with the pragmatism you're claiming.

I don't know what the risks would be for riders and participants at Motegi, but everything I've read and seen suggests they are tiny. Unless the radiation levels are trillions(*) of times higher than "they" are telling us.

You don't have to go, fine. I'd be perfectly happy to go if someone would pay me. (That sounded like an offer, Shaun. Frosty didn't come through, I'm afraid.)

The riders are entitled not to go, sure. And they're entitled to pay the penalties for not fulfilling their contracts.

(*) OK, I made that number up.

The party line out of Dorna is that the background radiation in Naples is higher than that at Motegi.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The party line out of Dorna is that the background radiation in Naples is higher than that at Motegi.

Nice one!!!

[wharfy]

Sure. But your complete rejection (which is how it came across) of the report on Fukushima risks seems at odds with the pragmatism you're claiming.

I don't know what the risks would be for riders and participants at Motegi, but everything I've read and seen suggests they are tiny. Unless the radiation levels are trillions(*) of times higher than "they" are telling us.

You don't have to go, fine. I'd be perfectly happy to go if someone would pay me. (That sounded like an offer, Shaun. Frosty didn't come through, I'm afraid.)

The riders are entitled not to go, sure. And they're entitled to pay the penalties for not fulfilling their contracts.

(*) OK, I made that number up.

Well your right, it was pretty much a complete rejection - even though I haven't read the report
I'm a cynical old bastard, and have witnessed many examples of people/organizations with vested interests producing reports to allay the fears of the masses, sell their product, make irreversible changes to the environment etc. "its harmless" "there is no evidence to support a causal link" "its below World Health Organization recommended safe levels". Of course "safe levels" of almost everything are continually being lowered (how much mercury is safe ?) As far as radiation and its affects go, very little is actually known - Sadly most of what we do know is from "human guinea pigs" exposed either deliberately, as in the Bombs dropped on Japan, exposing military personnel (NZ seaman included) or civilian populations to testing (without their consent - informed or otherwise) or "accidents" like Three mile Island, Chernobyl, or this latest one.

So when there is a Nuclear accident and somebody produces a report to say its OK my response is "yeah right" !
I don't want to get within a thousand kilometers of it

If my boss said I had to go and work there I am pretty sure I'd be getting my union delegate involved. - ( this bit is theoretical as I am currently "between jobs" as actors like to say )

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=wharfy;


So when there is a Nuclear accident and somebody produces a report to say its OK my response is "yeah right" !
I don't want to get within a thousand kilometers of it

If my boss said I had to go and work there I am pretty sure I'd be getting my union delegate involved. - ( this bit is theoretical as I am currently "between jobs" as actors like to say )[/QUOTE]



Brilliant acting that man

[Badjelly]

The party line out of Dorna is that the background radiation in Naples is higher than that at Motegi.

Nice one!!!

You think it's not?

Natural radiation levels vary a lot around the world. People seem to forget that we all live on a glowing(*) lump of radioactive rock.

(*) Yes, glowing, literally. The heat that keeps all those volcanoes going comes from radioactive decay.

[Badjelly]

Well your right, it was pretty much a complete rejection - even though I haven't read the report
I'm a cynical old bastard, and have witnessed many examples of people/organizations with vested interests producing reports to allay the fears of the masses, sell their product, make irreversible changes to the environment etc....

Fair enough, but once you've realised that people sometimes lie, you're still left with the fact that there is a real world out there about which you have to make judgments. (Or not, there are a lot of occasions when believing things that just ain't so does people no harm whatsoever. Most of the time really.) And cynicism about *everything* gets you *nowhere*.

In Korea people are convinced (I kid you not) that being in an enclosed space with a running electric fan is very dangerous. And Korea is a very hot country (when it's not very cold) so this belief may well kill people--old people particularly--who die of the heat because they're scared of leaving the fan on. I'm sure that when Koreans hear experts saying fans are perfectly safe, they say "Yeah right". I don't think they drink Tui in Korea.

I know this stuff about fan death is true, because I read it on the Internet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death

[Crasherfromwayback]

You think it's not?

.

I'm sure it is.

[Oscar]

You think it's not?

Natural radiation levels vary a lot around the world. People seem to forget that we all live on a glowing(*) lump of radioactive rock.

(*) Yes, glowing, literally. The heat that keeps all those volcanoes going comes from radioactive decay.

You may also want to add the facts that the riders iin question are no strangers to x-rays and magnetic imaging, and they spend half their life on high flying aircraft.

[wharfy]

Fair enough, but once you've realised that people sometimes lie, you're still left with the fact that there is a real world out there about which you have to make judgments. (Or not, there are a lot of occasions when believing things that just ain't so does people no harm whatsoever. Most of the time really.) And cynicism about *everything* gets you *nowhere*.

In Korea people are convinced (I kid you not) that being in an enclosed space with a running electric fan is very dangerous. And Korea is a very hot country (when it's not very cold) so this belief may well kill people--old people particularly--who die of the heat because they're scared of leaving the fan on. I'm sure that when Koreans hear experts saying fans are perfectly safe, they say "Yeah right". I don't think they drink Tui in Korea.

I know this stuff about fan death is true, because I read it on the Internet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death

Well fan death "MAY" be an urban myth (or not - noticed the consumer report mention "closed" rooms) but I am pretty sure that radiation poisoning is not an urban myth.
I AM cynical about almost everything - but I don't reject everything - just "independent" reports that support government/big business view about shit like radiation hazards
Oh and if you fly anywhere make sure it is not on a Boeing 737 nt

[Badjelly]

I am pretty sure that radiation poisoning is not an urban myth.

No, of course not. And it took several years of people handling radioactive material very casually--plus a few "experiments"--to learn about it. But the levels that have been measured around Fukushima are *squillions* times lower than the levels that have been observed to cause harm and lower than levels that people expose themselves to routinely when they fly or have X rays or happen to live in places with high natural levels.

[Maido]

Can we get sources or links to when people are stating facts please. Just so we can see for ourselves instead or hearsay or opinion.
No offence intended but the whole "one guy heard this so it is fact" thing is probably half the reason why there is doubt about the levels of radiation.

[rachprice]

Not just the current background radiation but the fears that the plant is not as under control as they say
That, and what has been mentioned before, the recurring earthquakes. Not only a risk when on the track but the damage it may do to the plant


I can understand their concerns, the fact that they (and pretty much every one of us) don't completely understand the risks involved.

I am someone who also questions 'independent' reports, we are taught to always have a critical eye. Just because someone sounds smart and official doesn't mean what is coming out of their mouth is always true