Benefits

[Oscar]

So ...from the Government's own website ...

http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyre...3Benefits1.pdf

Benefit payouts go to people in this percentage

Superannuation 52.3%
DPB 16.1%
Unemployment 16.2%
Invalids 6.6%
Sickness 4.0%
Others 4.7%

So .. it's not the Unemployed or the Solo Parents .. it's the superannuatents - they cost us 52.3% of our Social Welfare payouts ... more than half our welfare support goes to Old People ... they suck out more than the unemployed and the solo parents combined .. in fact all other benfits combined ...

So all you Bastards STOP GETTING OLD !!!

You would take your life in your hands telling some old people that their Superannuation is a benefit.

[mashman]

So if the Labourer gets paid the same as the Doctor, why would I bother taking ten years to learn medicine? And being as how you have to be fairly smart to be a Doctor, there's always going to be a shitload more labourers around, and scarcity means value otherwise we'd all be giving our girls engagement rings with coal instead of diamonds..

The short game?
What's the average life span of a chicken?
And a hundred chicks a year? Your Rooster will be dead inside six months.

Besides, you said "a chicken", and I don't care what wacko economic system you're in, one cow will always be worth more than one chicken.

Because they may want to be a Doctor when they grow up. So labourers are incapable of being Doctors? Since when did you have to be smart to be a Doctor? To pass exams? Pulease... anyone can learn anything they choose. You're sounding awfully belitist again.

Yes the short game... Cow worth more, must have cow. And if it dies within 1 year there's nothing to replace it, especially if it is so prized by all around you that don't have a cow and want one. At least I'll have 100 more chickens at the end of the year (i'm sure there'll be more than 1 horny rooster around).

Your value system is short sighted. You perceive it as worth more in value, yet you sacrifice your future by putting all of your eggs in one basket.

[Banditbandit]

You would take your life in your hands telling some old people that their Superannuation is a benefit.

Yeah . and that is the problem ... (apart from the fact that in less than 10 years I'll be eligible ...) .. too many people see superannuation as a right .. and get it even when they do not need it ...

That's the single biggest drain on the welfare system - NOT solo parents or the unemployed !!!

Look ... I do not begrudge old people a decent standard of living in their old age ... I do begrudge paying super to people who do not need superanuation to have a decent standard of living in their old age ...

[Oscar]

Because they may want to be a Doctor when they grow up. So labourers are incapable of being Doctors? Since when did you have to be smart to be a Doctor? To pass exams? Pulease... anyone can learn anything they choose. You're sounding awfully belitist again.

Yes the short game... Cow worth more, must have cow. And if it dies within 1 year there's nothing to replace it, especially if it is so prized by all around you that don't have a cow and want one. At least I'll have 100 more chickens at the end of the year (i'm sure there'll be more than 1 horny rooster around).

Your value system is short sighted. You perceive it as worth more in value, yet you sacrifice your future by putting all of your eggs in one basket.

I'm sure some labourers have the wherewithall to be Doctors.
But all of them?
Even some of them?

At the end of the day, being a Doctor requires more training and more intelect than digging ditches. However if you'd like to prove me wrong, next time you have a medical problem, please feel free to consult a labourer.

As for the farm animals, a cow is worth more than a chicken because it produces more than a chicken. If you disagree, please set a time and place where I can trade you a chicken for one cow. Actually, what the hell - you get me a decent dairy cow, I'll trade you 100 chickens for it!

[Oscar]

Yeah . and that is the problem ... (apart from the fact that in less than 10 years I'll be eligible ...) .. too many people see superannuation as a right .. and get it even when they do not need it ...

That's the single biggest drain on the welfare system - NOT solo parents or the unemployed !!!

Look ... I do not begrudge old people a decent standard of living in their old age ... I do begrudge paying super to people who do not need superanuation to have a decent standard of living in their old age ...

I can't argue - the single biggest fuck in NZ fiscal history was the scrapping of the Labour Party Super Scheme by Muldoon in 1975 and the subsequent and continuing use of Superannuation as a political football. And the lastest fuck up was Key's election promise not to put back the entitlement age...

[avgas]

So ...from the Government's own website ...

http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyre...3Benefits1.pdf

Benefit payouts go to people in this percentage

Superannuation 52.3%
DPB 16.1%
Unemployment 16.2%
Invalids 6.6%
Sickness 4.0%
Others 4.7%

So .. it's not the Unemployed or the Solo Parents .. it's the superannuatents - they cost us 52.3% of our Social Welfare payouts ... more than half our welfare support goes to Old People ... they suck out more than the unemployed and the solo parents combined .. in fact all other benfits combined ...

So all you Bastards STOP GETTING OLD !!!

If you get rid of some of those other benefits they might drop like flies before they have a chance to get old.

Win-win

[mashman]

I'm sure some labourers have the wherewithall to be Doctors.
But all of them?
Even some of them?

... no real difference for Doctors having, or not, the ability to be Labourers? I'd venture it's the perception that sets the value of Doctors v's Labourers, and not the value that the individual brings to society, as you would have me believe.

At the end of the day, being a Doctor requires more training and more intelect than digging ditches. However if you'd like to prove me wrong, next time you have a medical problem, please feel free to consult a labourer.

As for the farm animals, a cow is worth more than a chicken because it produces more than a chicken. If you disagree, please set a time and place where I can trade you a chicken for one cow. Actually, what the hell - you get me a decent dairy cow, I'll trade you 100 chickens for it!

If you say so.

I'll check my bank balance and my calendar

[Oscar]

... no real difference for Doctors having, or not, the ability to be Labourers? I'd venture it's the perception that sets the value of Doctors v's Labourers, and not the value that the individual brings to society, as you would have me believe.

I would pay to see a Labourer take your appendix out...

[mashman]

I would pay to see a Labourer take your appendix out...

waaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... oh you are a rotter ... and likewise a Labourer building your house.

[jonbuoy]

Because they may want to be a Doctor when they grow up. So labourers are incapable of being Doctors? Since when did you have to be smart to be a Doctor? To pass exams? Pulease... anyone can learn anything they choose. You're sounding awfully belitist again.

Yes the short game... Cow worth more, must have cow. And if it dies within 1 year there's nothing to replace it, especially if it is so prized by all around you that don't have a cow and want one. At least I'll have 100 more chickens at the end of the year (i'm sure there'll be more than 1 horny rooster around).

Your value system is short sighted. You perceive it as worth more in value, yet you sacrifice your future by putting all of your eggs in one basket.

Some people could never make it as a Doctor, Lawyer, Brain Surgeon, Company Director. Some people are smarter than others. Communism doesn´t work, fact.

[jonbuoy]

... no real difference for Doctors having, or not, the ability to be Labourers? I'd venture it's the perception that sets the value of Doctors v's Labourers, and not the value that the individual brings to society, as you would have me believe.



If you say so.

I'll check my bank balance and my calendar

You don´t think a doctor is more valuable to society than a labourer?? You´d change your mind if you were sick.

[Clockwork]

You don´t think a doctor is more valuable to society than a labourer?? You´d change your mind if you were sick.

Yes, but you might change your mind if you were heathy and needed a roof over your head.

As society evolved, it certainly needed and used labourers before doctors, they're actually a very recent invention (and in a lot of cases they still arn't much use)

I don't think this has anything to do with "Communism" but there is certainly a case to be made for people to bring to society that which they are best suited to deliver without expecting addional reward for it.

[puddytat]

Communism doesn´t work, fact.

And the richest,most populace country on the planet is......?

[jonbuoy]

Yes, but you might change your mind if you were heathy and needed a roof over your head.

As society evolved, it certainly needed and used labourers before doctors, they're actually a very recent invention (and in a lot of cases they still arn't much use)

I don't think this has anything to do with "Communism" but there is certainly a case to be made for people to bring to society that which they are best suited to deliver without expecting addional reward for it.

"Doctors" aren´t a recent invention, ancient Greeks had them, herbal healers and witch doctors have been around for longer than money. What you are describing is communism, a Doctor gets paid the same as a waitress, brain surgeon, scientist - how is that fair? Why do you think so many top scientists defected from Russia - we were happy to have them, the same couldn´t be said for labourers. A doctor could probably do a half decent job of making a shelter, a labourer wouldn´t be able to remove an appendix.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

[Oblivion]

I was having a discussion about why the rest of the world was failing economically, while China, one of the strongest communist powers wasn't. We came up with communism as the prime reason.

In a communist society, Everyone has a job. E.g, To buy a newspaper, Someone got the newspaper, another got the bag ready, and the last one put it in the bag. Even if it was a job that could have been done by one person everyone had a job. Nowadays, everyone is so interested in lying on their ass waiting for the $100k a year to come their way. They aren't even interested in the supermarket job that will probably be better skill wise.

Solution; Make the whole world communist until it can properly sustain itself.