Benefits

[puddytat]

See above imdying, I was adding juicey bits to the post when you posted.

[Winston001]

Ummm being a farmer I did know that more people eat Goats. Did you know you can run an extra 10% of your existing stock numbers as goats, because they eat species that sheep & bovines dont.

Well said. In fact running a combination of goats, deer, and beef cattle among nut trees (or similar) is a very efficient use of pasture. Except it aint easy or quick to set up. And the trees have to be protected.

You make a good point about goats. Intelligent, good foragers, care for their kids, tough.

The downside...all of the above. Fences are fun - a challenge. They are interesting animals, just like beef cattle, with personalities and ideas. I'd rather farm cattle though which at least you can control - goats are far too clever.



And now for something completely different: La mouton anglo-français

[Ocean1]

Well said. In fact running a combination of goats, deer, and beef cattle among nut trees (or similar) is a very efficient use of pasture.

You sure?

[Winston001]

Good man! That pic proves my point exactly!

[puddytat]

See I was thinking we were getting off topic then the thought occured to me that the biggest benefit I get, is being able to grow a large percentage of the food I eat...all perfectly legal, not taxable,& no one telling me how I should do it,when I should do it & where I must do it & then charging me for the requisite form from the Council rubber stamp bearer & its accompaining invoice. YET.

Which also brings up another Wank 'o' the Week award which the Govt wins yet again with its plans to tax or control the WOOFER system & Bartering between people...the reasoning is that if you are establishing a value of say 100 chickens in exchange for a cow, then thou shalt be Taxed.
Personally I feel its an infringement of my basic human rights which is up there with me being no longer able to build my own dwelling.
Where will it end.......

[Winston001]

See I was thinking we were getting off topic then the thought occured to me that the biggest benefit I get, is being able to grow a large percentage of the food I eat...all perfectly legal, not taxable...

Yeeaahhh...hate to tell you this but in farm accounts you are supposed to return the killers - they represent income at standard value ie. taxable. Still, there always seem to be unexplained tragic stock losses...

No idea how the geese and hens are treated. We used to suffer a lost cattle beast every six months. Maybe I should fatten up the cat..

[jonbuoy]

You did not answer my question ... but hei aha ... the answer is obvious



No Communist system I know of says that. That's getting sucked into the propoganda system of the capitalist machine ... (It might apply to good old Godzone tho' ... )



Yes. What's the problem? If people work hard should they not get rewerded for their hard work? Does it matter what the work is? .. I don't think so - reward people for hard work ..



How can you disagree that we are all equal? Not the same but equal ... "equality" does not mean "same" ... what you seem to mean is simply a matter of genetic inheritance - luck - whatever .... Who says under Communism people should not have more than anyone else ? It's certainly not in the writings of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky ...




Again .. not any version of Communism I know .. your ideas about Communism appear to come from the anti-Communist propoganda of the Capitalists - not from any direct knowledge of the system ... Which writers on Communism have you read?





Country A is not a Communist country

Country B (GodZone) is much closer to the Socialist/Communist approach than you are probably prepared to accept - on the world stage New Zealand is a very very Socialist country ...



Hell yes Tax Dodgers are a drain on society - sponging off the rest of us. They have all the benefits of living in our society - health, education, police, roads, etc etc .. without paying for it.

Tax dodgers cost the rest of us ordinary PAYE taxpayers - because the money lost because tax dodgers do not pay anything is made up by US! If ALL tax was collected or individual tax would be lower ....

Winston Peters' Wine Box scandal uncovered something like $600million in tax dodging .... that amount of money would have funded 20 medium size Polytechs (and people are screaming for student places which have been limited because the Government doesn't have enough money) - or several hospitals (we need them) - or many more student places, apprenticeships, operations in hospitals ... things we need but can't afford ..

Now if that money was not spent on those things, but the system remained where it is ... we would all be paying lower PAYE

How much is the total tax loss to this country because the big companies and rich fuckers are avoiding tax? Some people say they pay Zero tax ... well shit .. that is at the cost of us all ...

I could go on - tax dodgers - I hate the fuckers ...

I don´t hate tax dogers or dole bludgers i just think they should pay their way, I could be classed as a tax dodger - I work on a ship and am out of my country of residence for more than 300 days a year so as a seafarer I legally don´t pay tax in the UK. I´m also not entitled to any government pension or free health care (I pay for private health care, and have to look after myself if I loose my job and in my old age) and a lot of other benefits I would be entitled to if I hadn´t worked a day in my life.

Regarding communism up until a few posts ago you were arguing that all workers were entitled to the same wage regardless of what job they were doing, now you say its not part of a communist system?

[Zedder]

See I was thinking we were getting off topic then the thought occured to me that the biggest benefit I get, is being able to grow a large percentage of the food I eat...all perfectly legal, not taxable,& no one telling me how I should do it,when I should do it & where I must do it & then charging me for the requisite form from the Council rubber stamp bearer & its accompaining invoice. YET.

Which also brings up another Wank 'o' the Week award which the Govt wins yet again with its plans to tax or control the WOOFER system & Bartering between people...the reasoning is that if you are establishing a value of say 100 chickens in exchange for a cow, then thou shalt be Taxed.
Personally I feel its an infringement of my basic human rights which is up there with me being no longer able to build my own dwelling.
Where will it end.......

It's always good to hear about people doing what you're doing. My wife and I have been growning our own food a lot more lately. We live on the outskirts of town and I've always lived in places with a bit of extra land. That's how I got into motorbikes actually, I did years of offroading before I even got on a road bike.

Cheers

[fuknKIWI]

Has anybody mentioned friends with benefits?

[avgas]

Has anybody mentioned friends with benefits?

Many here don't have friends.
They taste like chicken.

[Dodgy_Matt]

John Key has announced he intends to make it more difficult to claim benefits.
From next week the forms will only be printed in English.

Hahahahahahaaaa

[mashman]

Surely not. I mean, these guys could be on benefits sitting at home playing games all day and yet... "Online gamers have achieved a feat beyond the realm of Second Life or Dungeons and Dragons: they have deciphered the structure of an enzyme of an AIDS-like virus that had thwarted scientists for a decade."

I cannot be , I mean, they have no training, they can't possibly be able to do such a thing

[jonbuoy]

Surely not. I mean, these guys could be on benefits sitting at home playing games all day and yet... "Online gamers have achieved a feat beyond the realm of Second Life or Dungeons and Dragons: they have deciphered the structure of an enzyme of an AIDS-like virus that had thwarted scientists for a decade."

I cannot be , I mean, they have no training, they can't possibly be able to do such a thing

Awesome now they are fully qualified DNA sequencers (as long as some scientists somewhere turn it into an online game). Why do you think the majority of online gamers are unemployed on benefits?

[avgas]

Awesome now they are fully qualified DNA sequencers (as long as some scientists somewhere turn it into an online game). Why do you think the majority of online gamers are unemployed on benefits?

Because DNA sequencing doesn't generate money?

[jonbuoy]

Because DNA sequencing doesn't generate money?

Its a billion dollar industry.