Benefits

[HTFU]

This is a can of worms, and i want to try and avoid a left vs right slanging match so i'd appreciate thought before posting.

Buggered if I know what the answer is, but there has to be one.

Friends with Benefits.

[Toaster]

This is rubbish.

If people don't want to work, why do you think that you should be able to make them? People are not your fucking slaves.

The majority of society that believes working is king, that giving a third or more of your life to make other people rich, is the way to go. Good on them. However there is no reason why everybody should have to follow that path.

This is a fact. We already know this to be true. We currently do not expect prisoners, pensioners, or children to work. We know that the world doesn't collapse if we don't all do what is the current norm as we've had the majority of humanities life span with prisoners, pensioners, and children, working.

You can either pay a benefit to those people who do not want to follow the path of all the other sheeple, or you can suffer the result of giving them no other option than to live in the one narrow minded society we currently have without money.

Really, as I've said many times before, the problem is one of over population. We don't have 200,000 unemployed in this country, we have about 2,000,000 more people than we need.

The other problem we have is that we insist on trying to bring up everybody to the same level. Well I've got news for you sunshine, ALL PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL. That whole notion is fucking ridiculous. Problem is, people are too blind to see that not equal does not mean better or worse, IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY ARE NOT EQUAL. Big fucking deal. You can't have a relentless greedy society like we have without people at the top, and people at the bottom. Simple as that.

You remind me why we hate employing idiots.

[Toaster]

I have a niece who did just that, set up a lifestyle around the benefit system, knocked out two sprogs, excluded the fathers and is also a lifetime student of fuck all!

Gets all the perks and even has "student" trips overseas! (where one of the fathers of her sprog comes from!)

These spongers certainly know how to work the systems!

Even worse, the system guardians are part of maintaining the bloody deal!

I think it is fair to say the average kiwi taxpayer is SICK of bailing out everyone else.

[Toaster]

Well said that man, now you do realize you'll be ostracized for talking sense ?

I have no problem with that mate. The world is a melting pot of the intelligent, reasonable and the stupid.

Everyone is welcome to an opinion. I for one can't stand those that take from others and those that leech upon society.

[imdying]

Sitting around all day enjoying life whilst every other mug goes off to work... if there's one thing you can't call them, it's stupid.

[puddytat]

Well the Greens policy announcement to do with this topic sounds interesting.....
100,000 jobs in the enviroment & in rebuilding Christchurchwww.greens.org.nz

[Zedder]

The simple answer to the benefits problem is of course very high employment.

Unfortunately, until things like governments having the wrong people in them plus the financial sector being able to play the paper money game and plunge the world into crisis (while taking huge bonuses) etc it's going to be tough to solve.

[mashman]

The simple answer to the benefits problem is of course very high employment.

Unfortunately, until things like governments having the wrong people in them plus the financial sector being able to play the paper money game and plunge the world into crisis (while taking huge bonuses) etc it's going to be tough to solve.

I'd go for very high unemployment, with some form of rotation system as an incentive... saaaaaaaay, 2 years on 2 years off

[Zedder]

I'd go for very high unemployment, with some form of rotation system as an incentive... saaaaaaaay, 2 years on 2 years off

Only if there was a medical plan with it though.

[FJRider]

Did THIS benificary save the tax-payers $400,000 ... or do what EVERY child shound be required to do for a parent ... ???

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/1032...payer-400-000/

[mashman]

Did THIS benificary save the tax-payers $400,000 ... or do what EVERY child shound be required to do for a parent ... ???

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/1032...payer-400-000/

Both (no need for extra chars this time)

, the popcorns betterererer ...

[Zedder]

Both (no need for extra chars this time)

, the popcorns betterererer ...

But she was still on a benefit.

[FJRider]

But she was still on a benefit.

So was STILL getting PAID ... ???

[mashman]

But she was still on a benefit.

cheaper than paying for someone else to look after her according to the article, with the beneficiary potentially still being doled... win win?

[Zedder]

cheaper than paying for someone else to look after her according to the article, with the beneficiary potentially still being doled... win win?

I think what FJ Rider was asking is does it mean it's an altruistic act (which a family member would be expected to do) or not.

If she's being paid a benefit it isn't as altruistic as doing it just for family without government assistance. Sure, she may have saved the tax payer $400k but it's not totally free for the taxpayer.