Benefits

**bluninja** · 31st August 2011, 18:14

Originally Posted by Blackshear

All I pretty much heard while hunting my ass off for a job was 'You look good, but the sad truth is that I have so many people with skills pouring out their asses, it would be illogical to not hire them.'

So, have you tried getting work as a model?

When I was looking for work, I got people asking for IT skills and NZ experience.....I find I just changed Microsoft to US settings and everything is fine.

I have been unemployed, and what really pissed me off was the people (in the UK) sitting on their blanket drinking pish and begging, whilst I'm walking from interview to interview (no cash for car, petrol or pish). Many places wouldn't take me on because I was overskilled, or overqualified and would be gone as soon as a decent job turned up.

I think benefits in most circumstances should be conditional. If you are out of work for 6 months say, benefits should be tied to you upskilling or reskilling on an approved training course. No effort, no benefit.

As for the experience side, I think the government should subsidise people into jobs to the tune of the benefit they would have paid initially, with it tapering off over 6months to a year. The business gives the inexperienced, experience, and gets 'cheap' labour when they are least productive.

**XxKiTtiExX** · 31st August 2011, 19:21

Originally Posted by bluninja

Not enough jobs? So why are there so many people working 48+ hours a week? If people weren't so greedy doing loads of overtime, there'd be enough working hours to go around.

So that they can afford to pay their own bills perhaps.

**blue rider** · 31st August 2011, 19:59

Originally Posted by bluninja

Not enough jobs? So why are there so many people working 48+ hours a week? If people weren't so greedy doing loads of overtime, there'd be enough working hours to go around.

oh my god, your a funny guy, surly you joke?

maybe people in trades, or in union get over times, but the typical office drone, working through her/his lunch/smoko etc is not getting over time. if lucky it counts as time in Lieu

one of my team mates just left, her job was not filled, we are getting re-structured and well i will do unpaid overtime for a while.....maybe i get time in lieu

that was funny seriously

**mashman** · 31st August 2011, 20:04

Originally Posted by bluninja

I think benefits in most circumstances should be conditional. If you are out of work for 6 months say, benefits should be tied to you upskilling or reskilling on an approved training course. No effort, no benefit.

... No money? that only leaves crime or death, or a mixture of both depending on desperation levels... why not just shoot people who don't have jobs and be done with it, instead of wasting air and fuckin society up with their antics.

**Spearfish** · 31st August 2011, 20:10

Unemployment isn't working.

**scumdog** · 31st August 2011, 20:16

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Brilliant. I'm all for that with one caveat. Don't whip it out from under those who got on it under the conditions listed that won't be applicable in future.

I'm with James 2 here - plus drug-testing for those on the dole - after all they ARE meant to be job-seeking and being a stoner is not a pre-requisite for many jobs I've heard of.

**scumdog** · 31st August 2011, 20:17

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

So that they can afford to pay their own bills perhaps.

Bills for luxuries rather than necessities in a lot of cases.

**XxKiTtiExX** · 31st August 2011, 20:19

Originally Posted by scumdog

Bills for luxuries rather than necessities in a lot of cases.

Not always.

**scumdog** · 31st August 2011, 20:19

Originally Posted by nodrog

Your wages dont cover the cost of the next kid you want, or daycare? Toughshit, keep it in your pants then, or budget like everybody else who wants something.

Nicely put.

Breeding is not a right.

**scumdog** · 31st August 2011, 20:22

Originally Posted by mashman

Just because there is a job sitting there waiting for someone to do it, doesn't mean it's gonna get done, especially if the pay is shit and the hours don't suit

That sounds like a lazy bastards explanation of why they don't work..

Get a job - any job, and there's a good chance it will lead to a better one.

**scumdog** · 31st August 2011, 20:23

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

Not always.

I didn't say 'always'...

**blue rider** · 31st August 2011, 20:26

what i don't get by those that propose the doing away of "benefits", what type of society do they envision?

at what time retirement and for whom?
superannuation was meant to alleviate poverty for people of a certain age.

retirement age was set to be sensible and should have little to do with how old people can get but with how long people have contributed.

surely a man having started at 14/15 years in a trade, steel work, roading etc will have more physical problem continuing their jobs at 60, than some pencil pusher who finished Uni with a PHD at 40? The same counts for females.?

Do we really want a country in which Grand Parents compete for MacDo jobs with the kids?
And who still employs people over 50?

DPB
females don't drop babys because they have got nothing else to do, and all by themselves! Usually it involves a man, someone has to donate the sperm.
Well at least I have yet to meet a women who had a baby because she was bored, and thought the benefit was a great incentive.

How about, sex ed in school (honest education, not some abstinence only horse manure), access to condoms (for the boys, someone teach the boys to keep it dressed!), the pill for the girls, and abortion legal and without any moral guilt and shame attached.
And this for all children regardless of their religion. That might help reduce unwanted pregnancies and the need for a mother/child benefit.

I hope that men realize that a women afraid of pregnancy=poverty will not have sex.....married or in a relationship or just as a one niter.....the times of headaches again...?

Unemployment benefits

how many people in the south Island alone have lost their jobs this year with closing of factories etc.
How many of those are in small communities where such a closure is not easily replaced with an opening.

we have had a bit of a financial crisis these last two years, how many of those that lost their jobs in the insurance, mortgage brokering sector and others have found new jobs?

I would assume that quite a few people that are currently on the benefit have actually contributed to the funds by paying tax many years that they have held a job.

And all those people on the 'benefit' still pay tax, GST on every transaction, be it for food, fuel, or cigarettes.
For what its worth they are still contributing, also I think the benefits themselves are taxed?

If we cut all these 'benefits', what type of society will we create?

A libertarian wet dream close to the industrial times around 1890?
Yei!!!!