Help! With Keihin FCR 41mm parts, again!

[willytheekid]

Dear god these things will be the end of me!

Great carbs when they are set up right and when functioning properly....but the operative word is "When"!

Can ANYONE please...PLEASE! advise me where in NZ I can get parts? (with out paying 4x the international price)

Rode home yesterday and just as I thought...I smell petrol?....WOOOF!! a small ball of flames erupted from my right carb (scared the SHIT outta me!)
Pulled over and had a look...no fire...no leak...??? what gives?
Rolled the throttle open....nothing?....then when I closed the throttle a stream of petrol gysered up from the accellorator pump! (holy shit!)
Out with the tools to disconnect the pushrod to the ac pump....safe to get home now.

Got home and disassembled the Accellerator pump....to find the internal Diaphragm had torn around the metal plunger plate
DAMNIT!!!

Made a repair with some flexible fuel resistant cement and all back to normal operation(for now!)...but this is a temp fix in my books and now I need to replace the Diaphragm.
So what I need is two of these (if one side can go...the other is due for replacement as well)

http://www.sudco.com/vol33/163.pdf

I really want to redo all the gaskets and o-rings now as this is a clear sign of aging...so all the rubber parts must be reaching the end of service.

So is there ANYONE (Bikeshop people!...please, please could I borrow some of your time in investigating some keihin parts for me) who can advise me where I can get:

2x Floatbowl gaskets
2x Accelerator pump rebuilt kits (as above link)
2x float jet o-rings (the seating o-ring)

All other rubbers I have replaced last year...and all jets...and all fuel screw....and even replaced the oem ac pump covers with stealth tech ones...sigh $$$$

I know I am probly wasting my time typing this as I have been here before (last year) and found getting parts in the country was practically a joke as the NZ importer wanted 4x the international price! and didn't actually have anything in stock!...so I got everything from aussie last time at a quarter of the price and deliverd to my door within a week.

But I would like to send my money to a NZ shop and forgo the drama of international sourcing...surely...someone! out there has these parts or even some of them.

thanks all

Willy

[Grumph]

Don at Pitlane deals direct with Sudco.

Most of your problems IMO are caused by the paint shaker they're mounted on....

[willytheekid]

Don at Pitlane deals direct with Sudco.

Most of your problems IMO are caused by the paint shaker they're mounted on....

Hay Grumph

Thanks for the post, I was thinking of going to see don & the team.....he sourced some needle jets for me awhile ago (Don actually quoted the part number of the top of his head!...amazing!)
But I didn't realize he dealt with Sudco directly!

Thanks again!

[willytheekid]

BINGO!...found what I require.

http://www.power-barn.com/servlet/th...BURETOR/Detail
http://www.power-barn.com/servlet/th...FLAT-CR/Detail

kiwi price for FCR 41mm rebuild kit = $147 (best I have found so far!)
US price for FCR 41mm rebuild kit = $46 US

Kiwi price for Carburetor Accelerator Pump Rebuild Kits = $108 (again...best I have found so far!)
US price for Carburetor Accelerator Pump Rebuild Kits = $35 US

Total: Kiwi $510
US $162 (nzd-$205!)

So...for $225 dollars(inc shipping & insurance!) I can get the 2 kits from the states, delivered to my door in a week to 10days.

OR I can pay just over $500 for NZ purchase and I have to wait up to 4-7 weeks for the parts to arrive???

sigh...I really wanted to buy locally and support a Kiwi shop....but come on! (No wonder NZ retail is struggling)

(Surely a bike shop in NZ can jump on line, find the same deal, add a little $$ for there own effort and provide a competitive price and make a little money in the process....instead of trying to screw us for nearly 3 times! the international price and lose a sale!)

....I think I know what option I'm going to take (But after I call don and check his prices...cos he's usually damn good!...and I REALLY wanted to buy locally this time)

[codgyoleracer]

Reminds me of that old saying, if you ever have to ask yourself a question - then the answer is always YES.

[PeeJay]

BINGO!...found what I require.

http://www.power-barn.com/servlet/th...BURETOR/Detail
http://www.power-barn.com/servlet/th...FLAT-CR/Detail

kiwi price for FCR 41mm rebuild kit = $147 (best I have found so far!)
US price for FCR 41mm rebuild kit = $46 US

Kiwi price for Carburetor Accelerator Pump Rebuild Kits = $108 (again...best I have found so far!)
US price for Carburetor Accelerator Pump Rebuild Kits = $35 US

Total: Kiwi $510
US $162 (nzd-$205!)

So...for $225 dollars(inc shipping & insurance!) I can get the 2 kits from the states, delivered to my door in a week to 10days.

OR I can pay just over $500 for NZ purchase and I have to wait up to 4-7 weeks for the parts to arrive???

sigh...I really wanted to buy locally and support a Kiwi shop....but come on! (No wonder NZ retail is struggling)

(Surely a bike shop in NZ can jump on line, find the same deal, add a little $$ for there own effort and provide a competitive price and make a little money in the process....instead of trying to screw us for nearly 3 times! the international price and lose a sale!)

....I think I know what option I'm going to take (But after I call don and check his prices...cos he's usually damn good!...and I REALLY wanted to buy locally this time)

What would you consider a fair "little $$" be ?
Or how much above the $225 would you be prepared to pay to support a local business ?

[R1madness]

How many hours did you spend researching the parts to come up with the cheapest option...? The shop would have to spend the same amount of time and charge you the hourly rate for it.. plus still make a reasonable profit (yes i see you dont have a problem with reasonable profit). Then if they spend the hour or so doing the research and you dont buy the parts its a total loss for them. Its amaising how many people want prices and are happy to waste a couple of hours of your time then say " i can get it $2.50 cheaper from .... your ripping me off" after you have gone to the effort and trimmed the price to a reasonable level.
People need to remember its is just a tiny island nation in the middle of nowhere with stuff all bikes. So as a kiwi we usually cant compete with international buying prices. A NZ importer may bring in 50 of 1 item but the USA importer brings in 5000. Who do you think gets the best buy price???
So you buy from the states, the NZ importer has the item sitting on the shelf for 4 years, he decides to quit the item, sells it below cost, and no longer stocks it. Next thing people are complaining that there is no supply in NZ. Its a bit of a no win situation really.
anyway just my thoughts...

[willytheekid]

How many hours did you spend researching the parts to come up with the cheapest option...? The shop would have to spend the same amount of time and charge you the hourly rate for it.. plus still make a reasonable profit (yes i see you dont have a problem with reasonable profit). Then if they spend the hour or so doing the research and you dont buy the parts its a total loss for them. Its amaising how many people want prices and are happy to waste a couple of hours of your time then say " i can get it $2.50 cheaper from .... your ripping me off" after you have gone to the effort and trimmed the price to a reasonable level.
People need to remember its is just a tiny island nation in the middle of nowhere with stuff all bikes. So as a kiwi we usually cant compete with international buying prices. A NZ importer may bring in 50 of 1 item but the USA importer brings in 5000. Who do you think gets the best buy price???
So you buy from the states, the NZ importer has the item sitting on the shelf for 4 years, he decides to quit the item, sells it below cost, and no longer stocks it. Next thing people are complaining that there is no supply in NZ. Its a bit of a no win situation really.
anyway just my thoughts...

I spent 20-30mins max! online "shopping" and found all the above prices. (not hard at all)
I understand where your coming from, NZ is a small a country and shops can't have parts sitting on the shelf etc etc....but its 2011 for christ sake, the days of stocking up on rare parts is gone!!....nowdays we use the internet and international post (7-10 days delivery).

As for $2.50 cheaper??...Im not talking about small change here....Im talking about 3x the cost!! (BIG difference)....and the NZ option has a minimum 7 week wait for delivery?...yet I can have them delivered to my door from the other side of the planet in 7-10 days! for a third of the cost and fully insured!(Once again...BIG difference)

If I (A member of the public and possible customer) can source the parts in 20mins AND arrange delivery within 10days, then maybe the NZ retailers should start looking at changing how they source parts and price them.....or why would we the consumer use them?...for the "privellage" of paying 3x the cost and the wait??, NO...we would use the international option to save money and time, its a no brainer!.

I truly do feel for the NZ retailer (what with the Gov screwing them at every opportunity for more tax, plus the constant rise in rates, rent and running costs etc), its tough out there, and I always try my best to support NZ retail...because I LIKE walking into a real store and talking with the staff and paying them for good advice and service.
If we didn't support them, they would be out of business fast...then we all lose!
But were ALL struggling to put food on the table and pay our own bills and general living costs....so cost IS a driving factor....and unfortunately...this time it has driven me off shore.

(for the record, I would happily pay upto $100 more to source from NZ.....Case in point, my Guzzi parts guy isn't the cheapest parts source at all...but his amazing service, great tips and general effort to keep my Bike tip-top, has ensured a loyal customer for the life of my Guzzi ownership....and the fact he's a bloody nice guy!...will always keep me going back and paying the prices he sets)

[imdying]

How many hours did you spend researching the parts to come up with the cheapest option...? The shop would have to spend the same amount of time and charge you the hourly rate for it.. plus still make a reasonable profit (yes i see you dont have a problem with reasonable profit). Then if they spend the hour or so doing the research and you dont buy the parts its a total loss for them.

Some interesting thoughts mate. During my time in the motor trade, we would do what you describe here, and yes sometimes people would say no don't want that.

But total loss? Hell no. As a result of these little investigations, which more often than not raised a profit, our knowledge base grew, we knew where to find odd parts, and as a result business increased because people would ring us when they had an odd import that nobody else was interested in dealing with.

These days, for most places, supplying parts is just something you do out of a catalogue. Few in NZ want to invest in that knowledge, and thus few in NZ reap the rewards. Lazy lazy lazy.