I am disappointed the Crown has dropped charges against local terrorists

[oldrider]

None. That's the reason they dropped the charges under the Terrorism Act

I stumbled onto a Webb site accidentally and read the garbage posted on there, I wondered what the hell was going on, thought it was some overseas terrorist site!

Turns out later that it was some of these guys, there was some seriously real bad stuff on there!

I don't think,from what I saw, that it was all innocence, the way it was handled may have been bad but where there is smoke there is fire they say!

"Someone" was up to no good ... better safe than sorry, pity it wasn't handled better though!

[Grubber]

Allegation because you made the claim without supporting evidence ...

Yes - he was convicted of discharging a firearm in a public place and fined. (I thopught he'd got off - I was wrong) That's a long way from terrorist activity and a long way from discharging a firearm without regard for others ... And Tame says it was an Aussie flag - looked the same lying on the ground - because he didn't want to be charged with destroying a New Zealand flag ..

I fail to see how the ceremonial firing of a gun on a marae during a powhiri can be illegal - and yes, I do know he was convicted.

And I can't find any reference to the sots to scare kids ... Help me out here?

I don't recall firing a gun at a powhiri as being part of the ceremony. "Ceremonial firing"????? That's a new one on me.
If i had even walked within 100metres of any public, with a firearm of any sort, i would have been arrested right there and then. I am not even allowed to walk down a street with one over my shoulder on my way to a gun shop without it being locked and in a carry cover, so how does it make it right for this dick to carry one into a public arena and actually discharge it????

[ellipsis]

....hmmm...no charges against AOS member for killing an innocent boy in a van, on a highway either...reckless disregard?....

[BoristheBiter]

Naaa .. we can't allow the Government to "shoot first" - Innocent people get killed - and then they'll shoot bikers first ..



I do know that some of the charges were for possession of a firearm without a permit - some of them had their grandfather's and great grandfather's guns from WW1 and WW2 - kept as souveners from the war and regarded as taonga by the families .. probably never been fired in 60 years ...

Yeah - they did have the guns without permits ... but there was never any intent by these owners to actually use the taonga ..

This is the problem as most of the case has been suppressed so we will have to wait 15 years to find out what actually went on.
You can make up all sorts of crap of who did what to whom but unless you were there I guess you will have to wait 15 years like the rest of us.

[oneofsix]

This is the problem as most of the case has been suppressed so we will have to wait 15 years to find out what actually went on.
You can make up all sorts of crap of who did what to whom but unless you were there I guess you will have to wait 15 years like the rest of us.

yeah and don't hold your breath on that one. Personally, and its not like I'm ever wrong , I think the govt were understandable nervous about the military style boot camp fitness thing then some planes crashed, panic hit, they over reacted and they wouldn't be keen to admit it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

....hmmm...no charges against AOS member for killing an innocent boy in a van, on a highway either...reckless disregard?....

seriously? you're seriously going there?

[ellipsis]

seriously? you're seriously going there?

...not at all...but if reckless disregard...firearms...police...charges dropped..are being bandied about, then it has its relevance...to me...

[sinfull]

This is the problem as most of the case has been suppressed so we will have to wait 15 years to find out what actually went on.
You can make up all sorts of crap of who did what to whom but unless you were there I guess you will have to wait 15 years like the rest of us.

The crown are appealing to have some of that information to be made public, (usually the other way round too aint it) for the good of the public , in other words the conspiracy probably does go deaper !
But the case against the ones who didn't actually own the firearms has been dropped !
It has been a waist of taxpayers money and the crown probably knew it was gonna be a battle to win a case in it's first use of the terror laws, but had to try and set a precident !

Personally i'm pleased it was thrown out ! Or heaven forbid i could one day be arrested and charged for saying that John Key should be taken out or that if any future bike protests are made the rest of you wallies should ride up to parliment like we did !

[oneofsix]

Personally i'm pleased it was thrown out ! Or heaven forbid i could one day be arrested and charged for saying that John Key should be taken out !

Only if he pays and I can bring some company

[BoristheBiter]

yeah and don't hold your breath on that one. Personally, and its not like I'm ever wrong , I think the govt were understandable nervous about the military style boot camp fitness thing then some planes crashed, panic hit, they over reacted and they wouldn't be keen to admit it.

I can see why they were nervous. Have you ever hunted down that neck of the woods?
I don't think they over reacted I think they have been told to drop most of the charges, let me think why, could it be that there is an election this year or was it just the fact it was a very high profile anti-white Maori.

[Banditbandit]

Ata marie i tēnei rangi ataahua.

I don't recall firing a gun at a powhiri as being part of the ceremony. "Ceremonial firing"????? That's a new one on me.
If i had even walked within 100metres of any public, with a firearm of any sort, i would have been arrested right there and then. I am not even allowed to walk down a street with one over my shoulder on my way to a gun shop without it being locked and in a carry cover, so how does it make it right for this dick to carry one into a public arena and actually discharge it????

The powhiri is not a "welcome" as most Pākehā believe. It's a ritual of encounter, and the marae atea, being the domain of Tumatauenga - the atua of conflict, is the perfect place for demonstrations of the tangata whenua feelings about the manuhiri - and vice versa ...

And Tame has perfected the art of using the powhiri process in this way. In Māori terms, in that situation, Tame's actions were perfect. I happen to know the kaumatua who lead the tribunal onto his marae - he had no issues at all with Tame's actions ...

This is the problem as most of the case has been suppressed so we will have to wait 15 years to find out what actually went on.
You can make up all sorts of crap of who did what to whom but unless you were there I guess you will have to wait 15 years like the rest of us.

Yes - that's certainly true .. we won't know what evidence the crown had for quite some time ... I seriously doubt they have any.

I can see why they were nervous. Have you ever hunted down that neck of the woods?
I don't think they over reacted I think they have been told to drop most of the charges, let me think why, could it be that there is an election this year or was it just the fact it was a very high profile anti-white Maori.

Tuhoe consider Te Urewera still belongs to them. And a lot of them still live off the land - hunting and gathering - and they are protective of what they see as their land.

I see it as a bit of white fear going on here. A bunch of Māori are running round the bush with guns - they have what can be seen to be anti-white sentiment - they are to be feared ...

Yes, they had camps in the bush - to hunt and gather and teach the yong people how to hunt and gather - and to keep the young people out of the towns and cities where they get into trouble. But the perception is a bunch of anti-white Māori are teaching kids to use guns ... Uh Oh .. raid them now ..

There's much scarier groups out there than Tuhoe and Tame ... Some of the right wing survivalist groups I've had contact with in the past are much much scarier ... and I know they have talked seriously about using their weapons in the past (I've had no contact for many years) ... people like Anders Breivik are much scareir and they do exist in Godzone ..

[avgas]

Pity the crown still here too.

The new princess can suck my dick before I bow to the monarchy.

As long as the whiteys hang on to the crown, and the Maori's hang onto the treaty. We will never be a nation.

[Banditbandit]

Pity the crown still here too.

The new princess can suck my dick before I bow to the monarchy.

As long as the whiteys hang on to the crown, and the Maori's hang onto the treaty. We will never be a nation.

Pae tō korero. I'm inclined to agree with you.

[trustme]

Ata marie i tēnei rangi ataahua.



The powhiri is not a "welcome" as most Pākehā believe. It's a ritual of encounter, and the marae atea, being the domain of Tumatauenga - the atua of conflict, is the perfect place for demonstrations of the tangata whenua feelings about the manuhiri - and vice versa ...

And Tame has perfected the art of using the powhiri process in this way. In Māori terms, in that situation, Tame's actions were perfect. I happen to know the kaumatua who lead the tribunal onto his marae - he had no issues at all with Tame's actions ...



Yes - that's certainly true .. we won't know what evidence the crown had for quite some time ... I seriously doubt they have any.



Tuhoe consider Te Urewera still belongs to them. And a lot of them still live off the land - hunting and gathering - and they are protective of what they see as their land.

I see it as a bit of white fear going on here. A bunch of Māori are running round the bush with guns - they have what can be seen to be anti-white sentiment - they are to be feared ...

Yes, they had camps in the bush - to hunt and gather and teach the yong people how to hunt and gather - and to keep the young people out of the towns and cities where they get into trouble. But the perception is a bunch of anti-white Māori are teaching kids to use guns ... Uh Oh .. raid them now ..

There's much scarier groups out there than Tuhoe and Tame ... Some of the right wing survivalist groups I've had contact with in the past are much much scarier ... and I know they have talked seriously about using their weapons in the past (I've had no contact for many years) ... people like Anders Breivik are much scareir and they do exist in Godzone ..

On the whole I probably agree with you.
For what it is worth at the time this was going down I was dealing with a retired eastern bay area chief of police who had accomodated Iti on many occasions usually not with Tame's consent so to speak.
Did he think Iti was a terrorist ? No
Violent No
Shit stirrer Yes
Grand standing , attention seeker Yes
Would he egg others on while maintaining a safe distance & deniability Yes

I ran across Iti once, it left an indelible impression on myself & my wife. His intimidating & agressive demeanour to women & children makes him a coward in my book

I'd like to see all the information published

[avgas]

Pae tō korero. I'm inclined to agree with you.

Yep I am as European as the Maori in NZ are Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders.
I was born here, I grew up here under NZ rules.

We need to affirm this as a nation - ditch the rest.
Otherwise we should drop the whole thing and realize we are nation of nothing. The bitch island of the pacific rim and the monarchy retarded reject child. If we are lucky the US will bomb us and take us over, or the Chinese will buy us out.

History is useless if it simply creates more conflict in the future.