Protective clothing research

[avgas]

Hi my name is Liz. I’m a motorcycle researcher.

Are you a motorcyclist?
Or a spin-doctor?

Unless you ride I don't give *censored for public release* for you opinion or your statistics.
This smells very similar to what a WorkCover case sounds like........and I don't want any NSW bikers to have to swallow your safety pills......because we will be next.

[NordieBoy]

The people that are almost guaranteed to arse off don't usually wear jackets or protective gloves. But they're not really looking for abrasion resistance, just impact and puncture resistance.

[Teal]

Hi All

Thank you for all your comments and advice. It has been really useful.

The next stage is for us to conduct a survey of riders across New Zealand and Australia. This survey is part of the wider study into the potential for an Australasian program to provide riders with independent evidence-based information on the quality and effectiveness of motorcycle protective clothing products. The project includes a review of consumer rating and testing systems used overseas and their applicability in Australasia. The study will not make recommendations about regulating or mandating motorcycle clothing.

To take part in the survey please go to: http://j.mp/u9xhBC

Thanks

Liz

[Teal]

Are you a motorcyclist?
Or a spin-doctor?

Unless you ride I don't give *censored for public release* for you opinion or your statistics.
This smells very similar to what a WorkCover case sounds like........and I don't want any NSW bikers to have to swallow your safety pills......because we will be next.

I have been riding since I was 18 years old - on-road and off-road. Cheers

[Ocean1]

To take part in the survey please go to: http://j.mp/u9xhBC

Thanks

Liz

Done.

Can we see the results when they've been crunched?

[pritch]

Done.

Can we see the results when they've been crunched?

Now there's a thought.

[Ocean1]

Now there's a thought.

There's a couple of completely innocent reasons why that data might not be automatically available to the public, even where commercial sensitivities don't apply. I wouldn't release data relating to material for a thesis reqired to be "original" for example. Not this year anyway. But, then, surveys collecting data for any of those sort of reasons should normally state them up front.

And ther'se a bunch of good reasons the results should be made available, of course. Not least of which is the fact that it's our data in the first place.

[avgas]

Done. But you might want to watch out on some of those questions. They are worded with a certain bias.

[NordieBoy]

Done. But you might want to watch out on some of those questions. They are worded with a certain bias.

Had to read some in "strine".

[Howie]

Are you a motorcyclist?
Or a spin-doctor?

Unless you ride I don't give *censored for public release* for you opinion or your statistics.
This smells very similar to what a WorkCover case sounds like........and I don't want any NSW bikers to have to swallow your safety pills......because we will be next.

I thought you were being a bit cynical with those coments avgas. However when I clicked on the link to the survey it can up with a contact name and number of Liz De Rome. A quick google of that name brings up



and heaps of other links including links to the NSW motorcycle safty council.

So you might be closer to the truth than I thought.

[Ender EnZed]

Hi my name is Liz. I’m a motorcycle researcher. I worked on the Gear study, in which we interviewed 212 riders after they crashed, to see how well their gear protected them. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlovDQM0TnA .

I thought you were being a bit cynical with those coments avgas. However when I clicked on the link to the survey it can up with a contact name and number of Liz De Rome. A quick google of that name brings up
http://www.youtube.com/embed/NlovDQM0TnA

You found the same video she provided in the OP.

[Howie]

You found the same video she provided in the OP.

Opps sorry guys. As you were hmm pays to remember what you have read.

[BMWST?]

Opps sorry guys. As you were hmm pays to remember what you have read.

whatever the final outcome being considered some very good PROVEN reasons and to wear good gear.

[davereid]

Good thread. just reminded me how many busy bodies want to make me safe.

So, after reading it, and doing the survey, I went for a ride on the country loop around my place. 28km round trip.

Nice sunny day. Just me, my motorcycle, and the sights and smells of the country.

No dayglo, no kevlar. Not even a helmet.

Made it home alive. How can that be ?

Doing something way more dangerous now though and still no protective gear.

Out in the sun at the BBQ.

Naked flames, LPG, alcohol, cholesterol, red meat, salt, slippery wood, steps and stairs, fucking hell, how can it be legal.

Melanoma will get 20x more kiwis this year than motorcycling. Liz had better make that sun hat compulsory.

[avgas]

whatever the final outcome being considered some very good PROVEN reasons and to wear good gear.

Or not ride motorbikes?
or not crash?
or wear particular types of motorbike clothing?
or ride any bike but sports bikes?....

Isn't statistics grand. All or None of these are true. You can't have particular "pick and mix" of the stats you see.

I'll give you a hint. Its the latter. Little rule called "Correlation does not indicate causation"............basically means stats mean nothing except the stat.

e.g. 50% of motorcyclist ride sport bikes and 50% have crashed.
not
If you ride a sport bike you have a 50% chance of crashing.

nor

"Riders will half their damage to their body if they wear safety gear"

nor

"Riders with Armour will not be admitted to hospital at all".....