Booze and responsibility

[slofox]

...it should be compulsory for everyone to be bubble wrapped at all times!!

And stored in a glass case

[Murray]

I enjoy drinking
I enjoy betting on the races
I enjoy rugby
I enjoy smoking
I enjoy motorcycling

Now there are a number of people who will tell me off for one or more (or the lot) of these but they can get stuffed. I choose to take responsibility for my life and whatever consequences it may force on me.

Everyone should be responsible for themselves!!!!

I enjoy life and always think of the wise words spoken to me many years ago "you only have a short life and your a helluva long time dead"

[oneofsix]

Ive worked for years at bars, and what I discovered was that 95% of those young poeple thought they had a RIGHT to drink as much as they wanted and do whatever they wanted. When you are an external force trying to place some boundaries for safety, you get spat on, shoved, told to fuck off, have the nature of your parentage questioned, call a fucking coon ass scum nigger who should fuck off back to africa, and thats just the polite stuff. Theres also the ones that just start throwing punches when its suggested to them that they have had a couple too many. More often than not, their friends will jump in too. They'll insist 'nah nah nah, hes ok Bro, we will look after him, nah its sweet, he can stay' On the few occaisions you trust these friends, you see these friends at the bar 5 minutes later, buying more alcahol for the intoxicated party, because they have been cut off from the bar.

This all stems from all the PC rubbish, where kids are bought up understanding that they have all the rights, and knowing that you cant smack your kids/lay a hand on anyone without them being able to press charges and drag you through the court system.

Its become less about 'take responsibility' and more about 'fuck you, cunt, I can do whatever the fuck I want'. Of course, when 'doing what they want' results in harm to them, suddenly, the people who tried to provide a boundary and got abused, somehow land with the blame. Its wider than just the individual taking responsibility, It goes back to us having created a society over the last 10-15 years that says kids have all these rights.

Fuck that, theyre kids, they have a right to go to school be fed and kept healthy, and they have a right to shut the fuck up. thats it.

Rabt over!

I appreciated what you are saying. I think it needs to be remembered that the 95% you had trouble with is only 95% of the subset of the kids out there that went to the bars.
Rights? what rights? You are allowed to do no harm to and to not annoy others. Kids are good at pushing boundaries, its part of growing up however the do gooders need to learn that the kids need firm boundaries to push against, you don't do them any favours by removing the boundaries and you can't make the boundaries so soft that they are ineffectual.

[willytheekid]

Ive worked for years at bars, and what I discovered was that 95% of those young poeple thought they had a RIGHT to drink as much as they wanted and do whatever they wanted. When you are an external force trying to place some boundaries for safety, you get spat on, shoved, told to fuck off, have the nature of your parentage questioned, call a fucking coon ass scum nigger who should fuck off back to africa, and thats just the polite stuff. Theres also the ones that just start throwing punches when its suggested to them that they have had a couple too many. More often than not, their friends will jump in too. They'll insist 'nah nah nah, hes ok Bro, we will look after him, nah its sweet, he can stay' On the few occaisions you trust these friends, you see these friends at the bar 5 minutes later, buying more alcahol for the intoxicated party, because they have been cut off from the bar.

This all stems from all the PC rubbish, where kids are bought up understanding that they have all the rights, and knowing that you cant smack your kids/lay a hand on anyone without them being able to press charges and drag you through the court system.

Its become less about 'take responsibility' and more about 'fuck you, cunt, I can do whatever the fuck I want'. Of course, when 'doing what they want' results in harm to them, suddenly, the people who tried to provide a boundary and got abused, somehow land with the blame. Its wider than just the individual taking responsibility, It goes back to us having created a society over the last 10-15 years that says kids have all these rights.

Fuck that, theyre kids, they have a right to go to school be fed and kept healthy, and they have a right to shut the fuck up. thats it.

Rabt over!

Bloody well said Tim, and yet sadly very true....I blame a Govn't that didn't listen to those of us in the industry who fore told the outcome of selling Piss to kids!.....we begged them not to lower the age due to the effects it would have on the both the industry and the community as a whole....but what did we know eh?

And for the record...If ANYONE had spoken to you in that manner in my bar (staff or customer)....they would have got thrown out the door so fast, that they would have cleared the bloody footpath! (and banned from coming back!)....hated the racist shitheads!....I got rid of those sorts REAL quick

[tigertim20]

:And for the record...If ANYONE had spoken to you in that manner in my bar (staff or customer)....they would have got thrown out the door so fast, that they would have cleared the bloody footpath! (and banned from coming back!)....hated the racist shitheads!....I got rid of those sorts REAL quick

yeah I was a head doorman for a couple years of that time at a few of the busier clubs. I left and didnt go back because the urge to do some damage became all too much. I was for a time the only white security member, and I still got called a fucking nigger. -go figure. Half the problem I found, was that unless the patron had actually hit someone, the cops were generally unwilling to do anything about it, theyd just tell the patron to go home. not even so much as a lecture/threat of arrest for abuse etc.

its a shame, the people that work at bars put up with a hell of a lot of shit, so that 'the lads can go out and have a few'. and there are certain stereotypes that absolutely were accurate when it came to those most likely to get too drunk and or cause fights.

I seldom go out to pubs now. I go to rallies with a few thousand bikers, get on the piss, with basically no security, and Im yet to see a punchup at a rally. Or I drink at home with a couple mates, but I cant be fucked with town after all the shit Ive seen and had to deal with.

[willytheekid]

yeah I was a head doorman for a couple years of that time at a few of the busier clubs. I left and didnt go back because the urge to do some damage became all too much. I was for a time the only white security member, and I still got called a fucking nigger. -go figure. Half the problem I found, was that unless the patron had actually hit someone, the cops were generally unwilling to do anything about it, theyd just tell the patron to go home. not even so much as a lecture/threat of arrest for abuse etc.

its a shame, the people that work at bars put up with a hell of a lot of shit, so that 'the lads can go out and have a few'. and there are certain stereotypes that absolutely were accurate when it came to those most likely to get too drunk and or cause fights.

I seldom go out to pubs now. I go to rallies with a few thousand bikers, get on the piss, with basically no security, and Im yet to see a punchup at a rally. Or I drink at home with a couple mates, but I cant be fucked with town after all the shit Ive seen and had to deal with.

Know the feeling Tim
I havn't had a drink in yrs (I stopped drinking about 7yrs ago...not by choice...it just happened?...havn't looked back to be honest), and I refuse! to go to a Bar now days....I click into "work mode" if I do, so I don't enjoy it at all.

[oneofsix]

I seldom go out to pubs now. I go to rallies with a few thousand bikers, get on the piss, with basically no security, and Im yet to see a punchup at a rally. Or I drink at home with a couple mates, but I cant be fucked with town after all the shit Ive seen and had to deal with.

Suspect there is some form group responsibility working at the rallies. We often refer to a biker community so wonder if that is the sort of thing. Whereas at the pub it is more likely to be factions rather than communities, Referring to the Shooters type pub Willy mentioned here not the local regular type pub if they even still exist. I imagine if you are a regular at your local or even it just being your community local (emphasis on community) then the standard of behaviour is much like at a rally.

[oneofsix]

now here is a guy that just went down in my esteem, like that's going to worry him.

Comedian Jon Gadsby faces sentencing just before Christmas for his third drink-driving conviction after being caught driving with a very high breath-alcohol reading in June

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5594...-drink-driving

Once could be a mistake depending how close you were to the limit etc, twice is pushing it and time to reassess what you are doing but three times? Does he have a problem?

[avgas]

http://www.google.co.nz/search?clien...w=1339&bih=687

[Parlane]

http://www.google.co.nz/search?clien...w=1339&bih=687

You use opera...

[tigertim20]

now here is a guy that just went down in my esteem, like that's going to worry him.

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5594...-drink-driving

Once could be a mistake depending how close you were to the limit etc, twice is pushing it and time to reassess what you are doing but three times? Does he have a problem?

this is a bit of a LOL actually, I worked with his Son, David at one of the aforementioned bars, he was one of the glassies. . .

[scumdog]

I seldom go out to pubs now. I go to rallies with a few thousand bikers, get on the piss, with basically no security, and Im yet to see a punchup at a rally.

You've got a point, I've been to say...around 100+ rallies and seen only three punch-ups - which were promptly jumped on by all around them.

Go to a pub (Or as is mainly the case with me - get called to one) on a Saturday night where there are 100 - 150 or so people and there's always a punch-up or two during the night - or a shrieking hair-pulling scratching bitch-fight. (And then there's the women!).

What is wrong with these wankers??????

[tigertim20]

What is wrong with these wankers??????

think youve answered your own question there. . .

[blue rider]

booze and responsibility

t'is an oxymoron

[scumdog]

booze and responsibility

t'is an oxymoron

Ha, right up there with 'friendly fire'!