Sold a bus and then the buyer leaves it on the road. Now what?

[Conquiztador]

Am I the only one that thinks $1,900 is slightly expensive?

Bus tow. The only company here that can do it will charge $200/hour. From Napier to Upper Hutt is approx 4 hours. Travel back with a 11.5 meter bus hangin off and it will take more than 4 hours. So I recon they were decent towards me... And it was on a Sunday...

[hayd3n]

THIS IS A MOTORCYCLE FORUM
or are you referring to a gold wing?

[Conquiztador]

THIS IS A MOTORCYCLE FORUM
or are you referring to a gold wing?

Im ranting and raving in the "Rant and Rave" forum... You seen some of the other topics here? Love problems, STD's, politics... at least this one has a motor (be that a diesel...) ;-)

[hayd3n]

Im ranting and raving in the "Rant and Rave" forum... You seen some of the other topics here? Love problems, STD's, politics... at least this one has a motor (be that a diesel...) ;-)

um na in only read the bus ones

[FJRider]

So you have a bus ... and $6000 ...

KEEP BOTH ....

The Bus was abandoned ... You ( in the interest of safety... and piece of mind) had it towed to a safe place ...

Send HIM the bill for the tow ...

WITH storage fee's ... to date ...

[marty]

yup. send him the bill for the tow. and keep the 6k. or charge him $100/day storage until he comes and picks it up, or it burns thru the $4900 left of the purchase price.

[paturoa]

He bought it, he paid you for it, you hid nothing, so that stays if you want it to. However you should follow through on the paper work. Then if he wants to be a wanker, go park it where he will get lots of parking tickets (only after the official change of ownership!)

You can't legaly sell it, cos it's no longer your property, unless you "buy" it back from him.

He didn't ask you to tow it so thats your problem.

[SS90]

Bus tow. The only company here that can do it will charge $200/hour. From Napier to Upper Hutt is approx 4 hours. Travel back with a 11.5 meter bus hangin off and it will take more than 4 hours. So I recon they were decent towards me... And it was on a Sunday...

Ridiculous pricing.

I would suspect that if this ended up in small claims (I think that the amount you are dealing with is to much to be heard in small claims, some Internet expert will google it for us, in true forum style), that the chances of you not having to refund something would be quite slim...... The fact that you towed it back (showing some level of admitting responsibility ) will count against you.... In cases like these, it is all about " what a reasonable person would expect"

In regards to you towing it back "because it was still registered in your name" unfortunately also does not count in your favour.

IF (big IF) the time between this van breaking down, and the post shop opening on Monday, it was to attract the attention of the powers that be, and receive a ticket(s), you would, with-out a doubt be able to prove that as of (insert time and date here) you where no longer either in possession, or the owner of said vehicle....

The law, as big an ass as it sometimes may seem, is not so silly as to be able to make allowances for this sort of event.

The only real proof of tis would need to be the bank transfer details.

Any lawyer worth a pinch of shit would be able to prove this.... And your average reasonable every day person much the same.

Also, this geezer will be more than a little lucky not to be charged with various drive offences with regards to to road worthiness etc.

In my opinion, towing it back is going to count against you, 50/50 on the rest of the money.

Buyer be ware.

[FJRider]

Change the ownership into his name, give him a full refund & then abandon it in the short term parking at the International Airport.

Um ... The HB doesnt actually have an "International airport" ... or do you think he should TOW it back to Wellington ... ???

[Conquiztador]

Yep. I knew that towing it back would most probably be working against me. And from the moment he drove it out the gate it was his.

Sadly I am a responsible citizen, and as he clearly told me that he had left the keys in the bus and had walked away and did not want it, I felt that the responsible thing would be to get it off the road and back to a safe place. (My storage in HB where I would have some controll over the thing).

In hidsight I shoud have told him: "Fuck off, your problem now".

I realise he will have very little chance to get his $6K back. The only thing he has for it is the bus that is now back at my storage. And really, I am not too worried re re-selling it as I had quite few interested and offers. He was just the first to deposit the payment.

So I am leaning towards paying him the $6K less the towing fee back. Or offering him to come pick it up after he has paid for towing. I clearly have to conclude any deals with him before I resell.

One lesson learnt is to do the change of ownership BEFORE any motorvehicle is driven away. Said that, in 25 years of privately selling and buying cars, bikes and some other bits, this has never been a problem. But I suppose it would have to pop up at some stage.

[FJRider]

Ridiculous pricing.

Apart from the fact that having a vehicle capable of doing the tow ... WITH a licenced operator/driver ... with any applicable permits to tow a non REG/COF vehicle ... with little business competition, in the province/area ... the cost would be reasonable to expect ...

I would suspect that if this ended up in small claims (I think that the amount you are dealing with is to much to be heard in small claims, some Internet expert will google it for us, in true forum style), that the chances of you not having to refund something would be quite slim...... The fact that you towed it back (showing some level of admitting responsibility ) will count against you.... In cases like these, it is all about " what a reasonable person would expect"

Should he wish to take it to court ... small claims or otherwise ... the Police may wish to talk to him regards driving it with no COF/Rego ... then abandoning it in/near Upper Hutt ...

In regards to you towing it back "because it was still registered in your name" unfortunately also does not count in your favour.

A reciept was given for money given/bus recieved ... ownership was not able to be done in weekends in the HB ... and by monday it was BACK in the HB ... and the buyer did state he didn't want it ...

IF (big IF) the time between this van breaking down, and the post shop opening on Monday, it was to attract the attention of the powers that be, and receive a ticket(s), you would, with-out a doubt be able to prove that as of (insert time and date here) you where no longer either in possession, or the owner of said vehicle....

He did have a reciept ...

The law, as big an ass as it sometimes may seem, is not so silly as to be able to make allowances for this sort of event.

The only real proof of tis would need to be the bank transfer details.

Any lawyer worth a pinch of shit would be able to prove this.... And your average reasonable every day person much the same.

Also, this geezer will be more than a little lucky not to be charged with various drive offences with regards to to road worthiness etc.

In my opinion, towing it back is going to count against you, 50/50 on the rest of the money.

Buyer be ware.

I doubt if the Police would argue that towing the bus back would have been a bad thing to do ... and unless a court case ensues ... I very much doubt they will have ANY interest in the proceedings ...

[Indiana_Jones]

Never hand the keys over until change of ownership is done.

Try and work something out with the bloke, of course keeping some cash for yourself for the towing etc. As for his flights he can get stuffed, that's the buyers risk.

If he's being a troublesome prick, is their a receipt of the sale? if not keep his cash and tell him to get stuffed.

-Indy

[fuknKIWI]

THIS IS A MOTORCYCLE FORUM
or are you referring to a gold wing?

& this is the rant or rave section

[gammaguy]

you cant re sell it.

it no longer belongs to you

unless you refund him by way of buying it back

[Wannabiker]

Registration does not always mean ownership......He owns the bus now...it is just registered in your name....