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    People say stupidest things in times of shock..
    A witness at the first crash said...
    ''The pilot appeared to loose control''...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wysper View Post
    So basically they are like the aero equivalent of the fiberglass car kits.
    Build a car, whack a fiberglass Corvette Stingray body on and you have a Corvette Stingray. Is that right?
    Not really...take a Mustang - rebuild it, re-engineer it, re design it, chop of the wingtips, streamline it, boost the engine to over twice the rated output..etc etc -

    Looks like the trim tab may have let go - when that happens, at near 500mph these planes tend to pitch up violently up to 10-12 G's, which effectively GLOCs the pilot. The fact the tail wheel is extended may indicate this - a P51 tail wheel lock overrides at around 8G.
    In this case it looks like the plane then torque rolled inverted and power dived into the ground.
    In 1998 Bob Hannah in P51 "Voodoo Child" had a similar incident
    Apparently, the left elevator trim tab came off the airplane at speed, causing the bird to abruptly pitch up, subjecting driver Hannah to over 10 G's of deceleration forces, and causing him to lose conciousness! When he came to, the raceplane had climbed to over 9,000 feet of altitude. A shaken Hannah regained control and brought Voodoo in for a safe landing. Suspected structural damage kept the raceplane out of the Sunday's championship competition.
    He also quit air racing!

    This is, of course, purely supposition.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by wysper View Post
    So basically they are like the aero equivalent of the fiberglass car kits.
    Build a car, whack a fiberglass Corvette Stingray body on and you have a Corvette Stingray. Is that right?
    No. They're the aeronautical equivalent of the farmer's axe. 60 years of modification in pursuit of Rare Bear's speed record turns them into mutant spawn of piston powered hell. Another good analogy is Burt Munro's 1920 Indian Scout. 47 years later there wasn't an original atom left in that engine and the frame was vastly different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maha View Post
    ''The pilot appeared to loose control''...
    It must have been a KB'er who said that. A normal person would have said "appeared to lose control".
    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    these planes tend to pitch up violently
    Which is the approved emergency procedure for racers with engine problems; up and out of the racing "pack".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    It must have been a KB'er who said that. A normal person would have said "appeared to lose control".
    I dunno - if I saw that coming at me, I might "loose" control as well.........

    Which is the approved emergency procedure for racers with engine problems; up and out of the racing "pack".
    Fortuitously, yes. At the speed these planes are flying - way above the original design envelopes, some of them are trimmed down to all buggery, to keep to level flight.
    Quote Originally Posted by James D
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    Good analogy
    “- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by nudemetalz View Post
    Was a T-28 Trojan, one of 6 Trojans in a display




    they are far removed from what North American Aviation or Grumman etc designed in the '40s.
    Well spotted typo of the T-28! Bling your way, good sir!
    There is an interesting article in the latest CWD magazine, regarding Sanders Aviation. They specialise in race conversions but they are also putting ex-race machines back in to stock condition.
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    No worries.
    I thought it was yet another crash with one of those T-38 Talons, the small twin-engined training jets so had to check up.


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