Don Brash: "We should decriminalise marijuana"

[mashman]

If I remember right it's the usefulness of hemp that cause both it & weed to be banned, american cotton industry (& to a lesser extent the tobacco industry) & maybee the paper industry??? were worried about their incomes, weed was the excuse to ban hemp... I'm pretty sure thats how it went anyways (haven't really looked into it to be honest)

me neither, but here's the first hit (snigger) off of google

Edit: That's an interesting site. Puts a lot of peoples myths in their place... in fact the page after the one linked above goes into some of them... Wonder where they get their info from

[scumdog]

Portugal- legalisation of ALL DRUGS 10 years ago

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Now THERE'S country going places.


Mainly down the financial gurgler.

Frikkin drag-addled citizens probably forgot too much shit or just plain couldn't be fucked....lets drop out man..

[mashman]

Now THERE'S country going places.


Mainly down the financial gurgler.

Frikkin drag-addled citizens probably forgot too much shit or just plain couldn't be fucked....lets drop out man..

Aaaaaand the excuse for Spain, Greece, Italy and Ireland? trip trap trip trap

[Edbear]

Well pardon me, I stand corrected. Obviously the few members here who smoke weed have a far greater knowledge and understanding than such as myself who has spent years in study and research and who just happens to agree with medical experts who have spent years in qualified study on the issue of drugs and their effects.

These qualified scientists and medical researchers along with the medical Drs. and nurses who specialise in and treat addictions and drug disorders really have no clue as to the harmlessness and the medical benefits of smoking dope, do they..?

No, you who smoke dope are so much better qualified to rubbish all and sundry who think that Cannabis is not a good thing...

[Brett]

Well I know people who do smoke every day because they choose not to take the legal drugs that are more harmful to you such as panadol. The only sign of Schizophrenia I've seen in those people is the fact that they may have had a shit day and are quite stressed, they have a "joint" and turn into people who are happy and no longer stressed. Is this what they refer to as Schizophrenia?
As for smoking it purely for the affect, there are alot of people who love the taste and smell of weed. The same could be said for booze, how many do you know will sit at home and have a glass of straight tequila because they simply love the taste?
How many tobacco smokers do you know that have smoked most of their life still smoke because they still love the taste of tobacco?
Cannabis is not addictive, it is habitual. Tobacco is addictive, legal, making the government a shitoad of money and killing all it's users the same as alcohol. So why are those things legal? because they make the country more money. What other uses apart from fuelling vehicles and removing paint does alcohol have? We already know hemp is used in alot of applications all over the world and cannabis has been proved to help in some forms of illness.
I had my tongue pierced when I was 18 (dumb shit) and no amount of pain relief would take the pain away. I had some evil cannabis and the pain disappeared as if my tongue had been pierced all my life.
Recently someone I know had their remaining 14 teeth pulled and cannabis works better for him as a pain relief than the meds he was given by the dentist, he feels no pain in his mouth now and can eat proper food.
It's not an evil drug, it's the dumb laws, brainwashed old school generation and drug dealers that make it evil.

Paracetamol dangerous... BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Prolonged daily use *can* have *some* adverse side effects, but unless you overdose on it (which is not exactly easy, it kills you by killing your liver - hepatotoxicity) it's not gonna hurt you.

[Brett]

If I remember right it's the usefulness of hemp that cause both it & weed to be banned, american cotton industry (& to a lesser extent the tobacco industry) & maybee the paper industry??? were worried about their incomes, weed was the excuse to ban hemp... I'm pretty sure thats how it went anyways (haven't really looked into it to be honest)

Hell yeah, hemp is a bloody great resource for textiles, paper etc. No doubt, big industry throw their weight around when it suits them, this includes drug companies.

[mashman]

Well pardon me, I stand corrected. Obviously the few members here who smoke weed have a far greater knowledge and understanding than such as myself who has spent years in study and research and who just happens to agree with medical experts who have spent years in qualified study on the issue of drugs and their effects.

These qualified scientists and medical researchers along with the medical Drs. and nurses who specialise in and treat addictions and drug disorders really have no clue as to the harmlessness and the medical benefits of smoking dope, do they..?

No, you who smoke dope are so much better qualified to rubbish all and sundry who think that Cannabis is not a good thing...

If that's the line you want to draw, then yes, fuck the lot of them...

To that end I am living proof that I'm not

A) Fucked in the head (you may disagree )
B) Riddled with Cancer
C) Suffering from memory loss
D) Suffering from paranoia
E) Dead (hence the living proof)
F) Schiz
G) One-eyed
H) Suffering from any side effects of Marijuana
I) Addicted to anything (ok tobacco)
J) Suffering from any drug disorder

Now that either makes me a walking miracle, or someone is wrong somewhere.

Is there anything else that you'd like to tell me that I'm supposed to have because of my Cannabis use?

[blackdog]

Paracetamol dangerous... BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Prolonged daily use *can* have *some* adverse side effects, but unless you overdose on it (which is not exactly easy, it kills you by killing your liver - hepatotoxicity) it's not gonna hurt you.

Not that hard either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ills-cold.html

[Brett]

Not that hard either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ills-cold.html

*downed a daily cocktail* - she mixed drugs.

And yes, I bet you I could find some poor fucker mauled to death by sheep somewhere in the world, or some clown who died from farting in a small room with the door closed while asleep. Does that mean that sheep and farts are inherently dangerous?

[husaberg]

I was meaning what if your average Joe found you could get stoned from smoking corn? would we then ban it, remember alcohol is legal.

And the bio fuel shit I'm talking about is the palm oil crap, the stuff that people cut down rainforest's to grow to "save the environment". You know the rainforest's that filter our air and stuff.
And battery powered cars use the power we generate from burning coal which pollutes our air in order to "save the environment"
Hemp can be used in the same way and grows in any climate
But it's a nasty evil illegal weed and should be eradicated aye.

As before with youon biofuel being dirty not on the hemp as the land to grow it on could feed people. not be cut down to further pollute the environmentCanbis instead of Palm oil no same result. Biofuel and electric cars pollute on the whole more than traditional fuels .


for my pro decriminalization guys and girls some other stats from Portugal

Note the deaths with positive toxicology for cannabis and yes Mashman the rates of HIV in Portugal have decreased remarkably in Portugal in drug users since decriminalization faster in fact than non drug users but there seems to be no figures for after 2006 and all the trends are heading up for crime and everything else so its not all rosy in decriminalize land.

[blackdog]

*downed a daily cocktail* - she mixed drugs.

And yes, I bet you I could find some poor fucker mauled to death by sheep somewhere in the world, or some clown who died from farting in a small room with the door closed while asleep. Does that mean that sheep and farts are inherently dangerous?

Of course that was why the coroner ruled she died of a paracetamol overdose. Is it your reading or comprehension skills that are lacking?

[husaberg]

If that's the line you want to draw, then yes, fuck the lot of them...

To that end I am living proof that I'm not

A) Fucked in the head (you may disagree )
B) Riddled with Cancer
C) Suffering from memory loss
D) Suffering from paranoia
E) Dead (hence the living proof)
F) Schiz
G) One-eyed
H) Suffering from any side effects of Marijuana
I) Addicted to anything (ok tobacco)
J) Suffering from any drug disorder

Now that either makes me a walking miracle, or someone is wrong somewhere.

Is there anything else that you'd like to tell me that I'm supposed to have because of my Cannabis use?

You said you didn't smoke dope

[mashman]

You said you didn't smoke dope

Currently I don't. Kinda proves that I don't have an addiction to the stuff

[Edbear]

If that's the line you want to draw, then yes, fuck the lot of them...

To that end I am living proof that I'm not

A) Fucked in the head (you may disagree )
B) Riddled with Cancer
C) Suffering from memory loss
D) Suffering from paranoia
E) Dead (hence the living proof)
F) Schiz
G) One-eyed
H) Suffering from any side effects of Marijuana
I) Addicted to anything (ok tobacco)
J) Suffering from any drug disorder

Now that either makes me a walking miracle, or someone is wrong somewhere.

Is there anything else that you'd like to tell me that I'm supposed to have because of my Cannabis use?

If you really want to know whether you are addicted to anything, stop taking it for 6wks. Only during that time will you find out for yourself whether you are experiencing any side effects from its use.

Tell me, why do people smoke knowing the risks? Why do people engage in harmful or known harmful practices knowing the probable consequences?

For excample, it is well proven that smoking is carcinogenic, yet people smoke in the face of it.

In so many cases, as also the case with young boy racers, it is only when the proverbial hits the spinning blades and the chickens come home to roost that we hear the cry, "Ïf only I hadn't...", Ïf only I'd listened.." Regret, it seems is far preferable to prevention and intelligent reasoned choices.

Not until you are diagnosed with cancer, (lung, throat, mouth,etc.) emphysema or suffer the bad consequences of your choices, will you listen to anyone who disagrees with you, qualified or not.

In the meantime, you will protest, even while admitting you haven't studied the subject of know much about it, and will decry anyone who tries to educate you, or present evidence contrary to your preferences. This includes shooting the messenger.

I know from experience I am wasting my time trying to convince users of anything they don't want to know, so excuse me from the thread and I'll bow out gracefully.

[husaberg]

Currently I don't. Kinda proves that I don't have an addiction to the stuff

Define currently please this minute, this hour, this day, this week, this month, this year,This decade?

Ps what you say proves nothing its pretty easy for you to say on a computer that you are Nandor Tanzos. How could anyone prove otherwise. For all we know you are high now.

Mashman is currently enjoying a toke, he will be back later, not that hes addicted or anything its his choice after all. Plus it never did him any harm after all. His drug use is not his problem its ours. You will see I put a little extra in your dole cheque this week. Party down Dude.