Don Brash: "We should decriminalise marijuana"

[mashman]

If you really want to know whether you are addicted to anything, stop taking it for 6wks. Only during that time will you find out for yourself whether you are experiencing any side effects from its use.

Tell me, why do people smoke knowing the risks? Why do people engage in harmful or known harmful practices knowing the probable consequences?

For excample, it is well proven that smoking is carcinogenic, yet people smoke in the face of it.

In so many cases, as also the case with young boy racers, it is only when the proverbial hits the spinning blades and the chickens come home to roost that we hear the cry, "Ïf only I hadn't...", Ïf only I'd listened.." Regret, it seems is far preferable to prevention and intelligent reasoned choices.

Not until you are diagnosed with cancer, (lung, throat, mouth,etc.) emphysema or suffer the bad consequences of your choices, will you listen to anyone who disagrees with you, qualified or not.

In the meantime, you will protest, even while admitting you haven't studied the subject of know much about it, and will decry anyone who tries to educate you, or present evidence contrary to your preferences. This includes shooting the messenger.

I know from experience I am wasting my time trying to convince users of anything they don't want to know, so excuse me from the thread and I'll bow out gracefully.

I'm at at least 6 weeks.

Why do people ride motorcycles and don't all drive cars? Enjoyment. Same reason people eat saturated fats. Same reason people drink and develop beer bellies. Same reason people don't have sex for procreation purposes.

It is well known that fat makes you fat (or that growth hormone can be passed to humans from animals, or pesticides from vegetables for that matter). And yet we repeatedly eat the stuff.

I don't necessarily disagree with that point. If only I hadn't been at that intersection at that point in time. (hope you're healing well Ed). Life is full of regrets and surprises... none of us can predict the future. By all means mitigate it as best you wish, but don't expect everyone to do the same. It doesn't make the choice any less reasoned, it just makes it different to your choice.

I disagree ... I make my own mind up based on what I know and how I feel about it at the time. Irrespective of how you may feel about my choice, it is mine to make given the knowledge and experience that I have. Same goes for every substance that I put in my body.

I'm sorry you see it that way. As mentioned already, I fully understand the consequences of ALL of my actions... and I get more benefit out of smoking marijuana than I do from not smoking it... and if that flies in the face of your studies, then I'd say you have your answer and refuse to look any further.

Mate really? You drew a line and I crossed it... tis an self-accepted trait that I have. If you convince/educate anyone to stop "polluting" their bodies, then I won't try to convince them otherwise... after all it's their decision based on what they know. But trying to ram research down peoples throats, when they already know the risks, and then wagging a finger because you disapprove, when there is research that says the complete opposite (see scissorhands thread linked to a few pages back, medical research in there too) doesn't make me ignore your view any more than theirs. I may have that final regret some day, I may not. I'm not ignoring your advice/expertise, I'm merely living my life the way I see fit armed with what I know.

Having lived amongst soft drug users for several years, potentially a decade or so, and knowing plenty of long term marijuana users, I have lost 1 dear friend... most of the rest have gone on to have very successful careers, some have stayed as "bums". Your research does not stack up with my observations. I am sorry that that disappoints you.

[mashman]

Define currently please this minute, this hour, this day, this week, this month, this year,This decade?

Ps what you say proves nothing its pretty easy for you to say on a computer that you are Nandor Tanzos. How could anyone prove otherwise. For all we know you are high now.

Mashman is currently enjoying a toke, he will be back later, not that hes addicted or anything its his choice after all. Plus it never did him any harm after all. His drug use is not his problem its ours. You will see I put a little extra in your dole cheque this week. Party down Dude.

bring any drug kit you like... If I had known I was gonna be scrutinised, I'da saved my pee from the last X amount of weeks (X coz I know it's been 7 or 8 weeks, but haven't been keeping track, because it really isn't that important). And I haven't turned to any other substance as a substitute either, not even the evil drink.

[husaberg]

bring any drug kit you like... If I had known I was gonna be scrutinised, I'da saved my pee from the last X amount of weeks (X coz I know it's been 7 or 8 weeks, but haven't been keeping track, because it really isn't that important). And I haven't turned to any other substance as a substitute either, not even the evil drink.

Oh shit sorry 8 weeks and poor short term memory as well well done.

ps your last post said 6 weeks Thats the problem with lies you need to get your story straight to stay straight
you get scrutinized because you can't fess up to your drug problem BTW

[mashman]

Oh shit sorry 8 weeks and poor short term memory as well well done.

ps your last post said 6 weeks Thats the problem with lies you need to get your story straight to stay straight
you get scrutinized because you can't fess up to your drug problem BTW

... I'm not marking it off on a calendar, as I don't see that not having had a "smoke" in 7/8 weeks is an achievement. But I highly doubt that you'll understand that. According to you, and me having taken drugs, I'd have to be craving a "smoke".

PS... could be 9 or 10 weeks. (and my last post said at least 6 weeks)... I hope you're not a lawyer, because you aren't a good one.

[husaberg]

... I'm not marking it off on a calendar, as I don't see that not having had a "smoke" in 7/8 weeks is an achievement. But I highly doubt that you'll understand that. According to you, and me having taken drugs, I'd have to be craving a "smoke".

PS... could be 9 or 10 weeks. (and my last post said at least 6 weeks)... I hope you're not a lawyer, because you aren't a good one.

Short term memory failing you.
I still seem to get smug idiots like you off charges every week so I can't be that bad at it.
As far as Crimes go you are hardly what I would call world class. I won't be swapping you dole cheque for my salary in the near future mate.
But thats your problem Not that you have any problems aye.
I could get you off most charges Diminished capacity.

[Berries]

If you guys who smoke dope or who support the decriminalizing it are such a majority as you claim to be it shouldn't be a problem to vote for a party that supports a change and win with a landslide.

Can't be arsed.

[scissorhands]

I was going to be rational and precise, due to all the error posted, but why should I bother?

At least the site gets little traffic and bikers reputations will stay as they are, whatever that is.

Actually I remember from the Bikoi that bikers are popular with the NZ public.

I spent an hour writing a beautiful post, but the aggravation just aint worth it...

hasta la vista babies! welcome to hell bitches!

[blackdog]

I hope you're not a lawyer, because you aren't a good one.

My guess when he said he worked in the courts was cleaner. His grasp of the English language (or lack thereof) would certainly put him no further up the food chain than bailiff.

That would explain his one eyed view on the topic at hand having only ever seen the minority of smokers that appear in the courts, nine out of ten of whom have far more serious underlying issues than pot smoking contributing to their circumstances.

[husaberg]

Can't be arsed.

Apathy? You have to love that.

[xen]

Just watched the Joe Rogan podcast with guest Graham Hancock who said:

"When the state sends us to prison for essentially exploring our own consciousness, this is a grotesque abuse of our human rights. It's a fundamental wrong. If I as an adult am not sovereign over my own consciousness then I am absolutely not sovereign over anything. I can't claim any kind of freedom at all.

And what's happened over the last 40 or 50 years under the disguise of the War of Drugs, is that we've been persuaded to hand over the keys of our consiousness to the state. The most precious, the most intimate, the most sapien part of ourselves: the state now has the keys. And furthermore, they've been persuaded us to believe that it's in our best interests. This is a very dangerous situation. "

Sums it up pretty well I think.

[husaberg]

My guess when he said he worked in the courts was cleaner. His grasp of the English language (or lack thereof) would certainly put him no further up the food chain than bailiff.

That would explain his one eyed view on the topic at hand having only ever seen the minority of smokers that appear in the courts, nine out of ten of whom have far more serious underlying issues than pot smoking contributing to their circumstances.

Where as you say one eyed. I say Jaded. I suppose it is just an amazing co incidence that 70 per cent of the petty criminals I have to deal with are Dope users. An amazing co incidence.

Ps So what if my English and grammar offends you. Guess what I don't prepare my own briefs so don't worry. My English teacher was a little scathing of it as well. She also said I argued too much. My occupation was her Idea. Maybe I should have just smoked dope and then I could have gone onto the dole like you. Then I could have just lived in denial like you guys. Husaberg has had enough. It would seem some people need to live with distorted reality. I guess its how they cope with how their life has turned out. Smoke up boys, I would like a new car this year.

[blackdog]

Why one eyed as you say .I say Jaded I suppose it is just a amazing co incidence that 70 per cent of the petty criminal I have to deal with are Dope users. An amazing co incidence.

Ps if my English offends you guess what I don't prepare my own briefs so don't worry.My English teacher was a little scathing of it as well.She also said I argued too Much My occupation was her Idea. Maybe I should have just smoked dope and then I could have gone onto the dole like you.

I have no doubt whatsover that your wife washes and irons your briefs. I will not be discussing this with you any further because you are yet to make any statement or argument here rationally, and are obviously happy to make wildly inaccurate statements about people you have never met nor know anything about.

No lawyer that I have met would ever make the defamatory statements you have on a public forum. It appears that you can be completely deluded without drugs now doesn't it.

[husaberg]

I have no doubt whatsover that your wife washes and irons you briefs. I will not be discussing this with you any further because you are yet to make any statement or argument here rationally, and are obviously happy to make wildly inaccurate statements about people you have never met nor know anything about.

No lawyer that I have met would ever make the defamatory statements you have on a public forum. It appears that you can be completely deluded without drugs now doesn't it.

Barrister thank you. Have you even bothered to look at the stats I have posted. Oh well best ignore them as it doesn't suit your argument. PS you just stereotyped Lawyers. Something I have been accused of doing with drug users.That hurts.

[mashman]

My guess when he said he worked in the courts was cleaner. His grasp of the English language (or lack thereof) would certainly put him no further up the food chain than bailiff.

That would explain his one eyed view on the topic at hand having only ever seen the minority of smokers that appear in the courts, nine out of ten of whom have far more serious underlying issues than pot smoking contributing to their circumstances.

Yeeeerrrrr... I was gonna go with Court Scribe... his lack of fullstops and commas would indicate that he has a problem with P

Why would anyone take that sort of detailed look at a person when they fit the sterotype of being a drug user... drugs cause the problems, not the other way around

[mashman]

Short term memory failing you.
I still seem to get smug idiots like you off charges every week so I can't be that bad at it.
As far as Crimes go you are hardly what I would call world class. I won't be swapping you dole cheque for my salary in the near future mate.
But thats your problem Not that you have any problems aye.
I could get you off most charges Diminished capacity.

I'm not the one who has trouble remembering what I posted and what was written in response to my questions.
Then getting smug idiots off makes you a hypocrite too.
You can keep your blood money. I'd rather earn an honest living than lie for a living.
No problem.
So you would lie for me. Don't they call that perjury?