What bullshit!

**mashman** · 27th September 2011, 19:33

Originally Posted by Ender EnZed

Tota number of cars, number of km travelled by cars and accidents involving cars are all much higher. This is important.

Why is the distance travelled so important?

**The Singing Chef** · 27th September 2011, 19:33

Originally Posted by White trash

Far from imploding. More likely having a balanced discussion on an online forum.

Look, I hate these fucken ACC bullshit levies as much as any other biker. They're total shit and discriminatory. They affect my livelyhood, unlike the majority of you goons for whom it merely effects how much you pay to enjoy leisure passtime.

So what I'm suggesting, is perhaps we take a more active stance on swaying the figures (be they right or wrong) back in our favour. Holy shit, we may just save a life at the same time!

and they cried "all for one, and one for all"....oh wait it's KB. I am all for that, hence why I do everything i possibly can to improve my riding ability. But you still have the problem at the end of the day which is why aren't we getting proper training to ride in the first place? The govt seems to think this is a joke, it's like waging a war, where you send in troops regardless out whether they will die or not, and regardless of whether there is a better, safer way to win the battle. They continue to send in troops to make a stupid point.

We are but a statistic to the govt and one that makes them happy when they set their eyes upon it.

**Katman** · 27th September 2011, 19:34

Originally Posted by White trash

So what I'm suggesting, is perhaps we take a more active stance on swaying the figures (be they right or wrong) back in our favour. Holy shit, we may just save a life at the same time!

I'm going to marry you one day.

**mashman** · 27th September 2011, 19:41

Originally Posted by White trash

So what I'm suggesting, is perhaps we take a more active stance on swaying the figures (be they right or wrong) back in our favour. Holy shit, we may just save a life at the same time!

I agree and attempt that very thing with every journey I make.

**bikaholic** · 27th September 2011, 19:41

Originally Posted by White trash

Far from imploding. More likely having a balanced discussion on an online forum

There's hundreds if not thousands of these threads two years old on KB, spouting the same shit, same arguements, repitition, repeat, repeat.
Bikers still crashing, repeat, repeat.
So in that two year period, has MC crashes decreased, acc rehab expenditure decreased, per biker popualation, or per crash, per less crashes.

**James Deuce** · 27th September 2011, 19:42

Originally Posted by White trash

Ummmmm. So Motorcyclists DONT cost more to rehabilitate per accident than car drivers? They DONT have a higher ACC claim rate per capita? They're NOT more likely to die in an accident?

Sorry. In a perfectly logical society, Motorcyclists would be charged 10 times the ACC levies if even ALLOWED to operate such a dangerous means of transport.

get the fuck over yourselves and your "right to ride" and CHANGE THE STATISTICS.

How hard did she hit you in the head?

**bogan** · 27th September 2011, 19:47

Originally Posted by White trash

So what I'm suggesting, is perhaps we take a more active stance on swaying the figures (be they right or wrong) back in our favour. Holy shit, we may just save a life at the same time!

Easier said than done though isn't it. Do you attempt to change bikers attitudes through word of mouth? Change legislation to create a more favorable environment? Change the licensing system? or something else?

**mashman** · 27th September 2011, 19:49

Originally Posted by bikaholic

So in that two year period, has MC crashes decreased, acc rehab expenditure decreased, per biker popualation, or per crash, per less crashes.

It looks like less levies have been collected

**James Deuce** · 27th September 2011, 19:49

Originally Posted by bogan

Easier said than done though isn't it. Do you attempt to change bikers attitudes through word of mouth? Change legislation to create a more favorable environment? Change the licensing system? or something else?

If you had even the faintest clue what sharing the road with WT was like say 5 years ago, you would be agog at the attitude change he has evidenced in the last 6 months.

**bogan** · 27th September 2011, 19:52

Originally Posted by James Deuce

If you had even the faintest clue what sharing the road with WT was like say 5 years ago, you would be agog at the attitude change he has evidenced in the last 6 months.

So, one out of thousands, what can we chalk it up to?

**bikaholic** · 27th September 2011, 19:53

Originally Posted by mashman

It looks like less levies have been collected

Is that answer multiple choice, just like the handout licence tests.
That must be answer to question (d).

**James Deuce** · 27th September 2011, 19:54

Now I want to break something.

**Scuba_Steve** · 27th September 2011, 19:56

Originally Posted by White trash

Fuck off. Show me a thread where Steve and I see eye to eye.

Originally Posted by Katman

I'm going to marry you one day.

This one

**riffer** · 27th September 2011, 19:58

Originally Posted by James Deuce

If you had even the faintest clue what sharing the road with WT was like say 5 years ago, you would be agog at the attitude change he has evidenced in the last 6 months.

Possibly having two children in that last 5 years has mellowed him somewhat?

Or shacking up with an ambo and hearing exactly what she had to pick up off the road?

The point is, both Jimmy and Steve are right. The ONLY way to fight back against the pricks is by having as few accidents as is humanly possible. If we reduced the amount of MC SVAs to non-existent their argument becomes unsupportable.

You're not going to stop opinion though. It would be too easy to take the opinion writer to task for his opinions (filtering is one example - totally legal) who gives a shit what these people think - they can have their opinions - but until we eradicate the SVAs we don't have a leg to stand on.