I go to bed every night and dream of another recession

[mashman]

Apparental it was a HOAX:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...-a-trader.html

Having traded in said market for around 7 years, on an amature basis, buying and selling on action derived sentiment plus rumours; and of course some factual Level 2 pricing where I could sit on the back of the GS type traders: Fortunately I recovered from this serious illness and got the hell out of it (almost completely).

So IMO there is some factual truth in the scenario being presented however the interview was given to create negative sentiment and provide some opportunities to greedy people to make larger amounts of money.

The capitalist system won't fail. It is not in anyone's interests for it to do so. The present level of crap is showing that some are better at managing debt than others. NZ has miniscule financial problems compared with Europe and the USA. The countries that are failing at managing debt are being educated in how to play the same game as the others. Obviously the collateral damage is that some will go hungry.

The USA is not a good place to be poor. AND don't they know it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15140671

heh... quality. Although I disagree that the capitalist system won't fail, primarily because it already is. NZ may not seem to have financial problems (compared to other countries), but IF the US goes tits, that'll soon change. I'd rather not see NZ society be at the whims of something that happens in another country.

Indeed anyone can. It's just corporations through advertising creating false needs. Amazing how malleable the human mind can be.

I guess that's somewhat true... but if something is available and you'd quite like it and have the means to get it, legal or not, then the advertising means diddly, other than letting you know that a certain manufacturer/seller has or stocks that product. You're right about the pressure of being told that you need "stuff", but that's marketing and there's still a "choice" at the end of the day. I had a brief stint in sales whilst at Uni, but refused to play the "they really need it" game and the associated the tricks of the trade they used, hence brief... I did ok, but couldn't stomach the culture.

[Big Dave]

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That's the cure right there - the only solution to this is to move yourself, your family and your community away from the normal state of indentured servitude we all live under as western consumer droids. Real freedom comes from growing/hunting/foraging your own food, trading your surplus, building solid social capital - not from being a cubicle slave and buying a flash house, a 65 inch telly and a grouse V8 on tick.

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You should hunt baloney - you're an expert!

[puddytat]

You should hunt baloney - you're an expert!

And so are you supposedly.....
You have a real problem with anyone who doesnt fit youre strict agenda dont you?
You slag off everyone who might like to think of trying a life somewhat different, is that because you dont have a choice in your own? Is it the fat mortgage or the fat wife that youre not happy with or your Queenslander beergut?
Man, you really dont deserve that avatar,THE DUDE would think youre an asshole

[Big Dave]

Excellent! I laughed at the internet.

[puddytat]

Well that didnt work did it.

[Big Dave]

It's just KB banter hey. Like I really give a ferk. 'Strict agenda'!

[Brian d marge]

My house has all the mod cons, , the big screen TV that the kids watch, I don't and is scratched
a microwave that is related to sky net and has been live since earlier this year, but I have a job that I enjoy etc, use a bicycle most of the time
can't quite remove my dependence on oil but I'm working on it....
if tomorrow it all went tits up, I think I would be alright...
there are a few things I would like to do...gold, convert my savings into gold,
food, have a bit more in the cupboard..
rice ....grow some
can't think of any other skills one might need

stephen

[Big Dave]

At the moment we have hardly any furniture - it's pretty much all on the high seas. Laptop, TV, Dog and a few hired items only. Otherwise empty house. Totally ferkin' alternative hey!

Co-pilot is watching the plasma box (which we bought - cash!) and I've got AC/DC pumping in the headphones.
'What are you chuckling about so boisterously' she says.
'It's the just intarnet Darlin'' I wheezed.

[Big Dave]

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Man, you really dont deserve that avatar,

There ya go!

Rat Fink is on the other 'puter.

[Teflon]

A computer expert has described his astonishment at seeing the BBC's 24-hour news channel interview a taxi driver - in the mistaken belief it was him.

Guy Kewney - a white, bearded technology expert - was astonished to see himself appear on screen as a black man with an apparent French accent. He was even more shocked to see himself unable to answer basic questions about the legal battle between the Beatles' Apple Corps and Apple Computer over the use of an apple symbol.

,.,..,.,,.,.

[YellowDog]

At the moment we have hardly any furniture - it's pretty much all on the high seas. Laptop, TV, Dog and a few hired items only. Otherwise empty house. Totally ferkin' alternative hey!

Co-pilot is watching the plasma box (which we bought - cash!) and I've got AC/DC pumping in the headphones.
'What are you chuckling about so boisterously' she says.
'It's the just intarnet Darlin'' I wheezed.

"It's life Jim, but not as we know it"


We can all eventually say "I told you so" if we wait long enough. It doesn't make us right or provide any evidence of a tried and tested alternative.

I do however feel that the worldwide consumerism culture is a bad thing for mankind and strong regulation or moderation is required to slow it down. Ain't gonna happen though

[Big Dave]

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I do however feel that the worldwide consumerism culture is a bad thing for mankind and strong regulation or moderation is required to slow it down. Ain't gonna happen though [/QUOTE]

The arse falling out of has had some self-regulating effect in the Northern hemisphere.

I'd like to see the next generation have housing made affordable in some way.

[Brett]

Wouldn't you be able to have the same things without financial wealth?

If you don't look after yourself, don't expect anyone else too. Yes, theoretically I could have A house, A car/transport, necessary food, adequate clothing etc etc.

However for myself and my family, I want a NICE house, a car I enjoy driving (on the lookout for Audi RS4 Avant in black at the moment ), a bike that makes me grin from ear to ear, clothes that make me like the way I look, food that I both enjoy and that optimises my health, premium health care etc etc.
Do I absolutely need these things? Hell no, I can live with less, a lot less, and have done for extended periods of time. No big deal. However, I aspire to more. I don't want it given to me, I want to earn it with my ingenuity and hard work. Once I do earn it, I will/do also give back to those in need. There is a helluva lot of truth in the saying that "to whom much is given, much is expected". I believe that one day I will be judged for how I used the resources entrusted to me. This keeps my natural human greed and selfishness in check (a little bit).

[Brett]

Indeed anyone can. It's just corporations through marketing creating false needs. Amazing how malleable the human mind can be.

I find that to be a bit cynical. Humans are natural acquirers, it is partly what helps our species to progress. If we didn't want more and better, many technological advancements would not have occured. It is when this is allowed to run rampant in people without a social conscience that the dark side really comes out. That is also a very antiquated way of viewing marketing. With the advent of modern day tools and mediums for communication (FB, twitter, blogs, etc etc) the consumer very much is gaining control. A more accurate and modern way of viewing marketing now days is looking at how companies can work with the consumer to ensure that value is enhanced/created across the entire augmented product. Doesn't mean that there are no bad eggs, but the last few years has seen a huge shift in marketing strategy with corporates and companies being held much more to account for their actions and products. I think that we the consumers are molding the companies as much as they are molding us at this point in time.

[oneofsix]

I find that to be a bit cynical. Humans are natural acquirers, it is partly what helps our species to progress. If we didn't want more and better, many technological advancements would not have occured. It is when this is allowed to run rampant in people without a social conscience that the dark side really comes out. That is also a very antiquated way of viewing marketing. With the advent of modern day tools and mediums for communication (FB, twitter, blogs, etc etc) the consumer very much is gaining control. A more accurate and modern way of viewing marketing now days is looking at how companies can work with the consumer to ensure that value is enhanced/created across the entire augmented product. Doesn't mean that there are no bad eggs, but the last few years has seen a huge shift in marketing strategy with corporates and companies being held much more to account for their actions and products. I think that we the consumers are molding the companies as much as they are molding us at this point in time.

You need to spin that to Adidas. I suspect Cadbury got the point, or did they, or have they just become more circumspect?