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    Youve got 28 days to do a resit, this does not have to be done at the same VTNZ you can get your resit done anywhere if it were my situation i would take it to another VTNZ and have it retested...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post

    Unfortunately none of the manufacturers mark their lines with a standard, although HEL did fit a sleeve with some appropriate markings just for our benefit.
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    HEL give you the option of fitting an approval sticker on their lines - we've got them on our bikes....just in case....and it doesn't cost any more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    HEL give you the option of fitting an approval sticker on their lines - we've got them on our bikes....just in case....and it doesn't cost any more...
    Can HEL banjos be spun in the crimp (if the lines are twisting)?

    I'm looking to get HEL or Speigler if the WoF dude gets pissy to avoid the arse ache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsasuper View Post
    as others have said, it has a screw together fitting in the line.
    No the screw together bit screws into a fitting which is swaged onto the line. So legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeJay View Post
    No the screw together bit screws into a fitting which is swaged onto the line. So legal.
    ????If there is any sort of screw fitting on the line then it is not up to NZ standard.The line must be a direct crimp to the banjo, with no screw fittings, even if they are just for decoration.Hope you can understand this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeD400 View Post
    Youve got 28 days to do a resit, this does not have to be done at the same VTNZ you can get your resit done anywhere if it were my situation i would take it to another VTNZ and have it retested...
    you sure about that? I thought you had to pay again if you went somewhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsasuper View Post
    ????If there is any sort of screw fitting on the line then it is not up to NZ standard.The line must be a direct crimp to the banjo, with no screw fittings, even if they are just for decoration.Hope you can understand this time.
    Really? my stock standard Ducati brake fittings wouldn't comply then
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    Quote Originally Posted by macros87 View Post
    g) has an end fitting that is not attached to the hose by means of swaging, machine crimping or a similar process
    (Note 2)

    'Note 2 Hose end fittings that can be undone using hand tools are unacceptable'
    After a re read, Note 2 means "or similar process" can't be a connection which can be undone using hand tools. Legal (as many here have already said).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Braided brake lines that are made up by Joe Bloggs have no way of proving that the job has been done to a safe standard.
    I believe the technical term for this wonderful test is called a "brake (or break) test".

    They used to be common place back in the day when people gave a damn and didn't have a checklist.

    I love the fact the "Screw back" fittings are considered illegal......yet from an industrial sense they are fantastic.....and crimp fittings are "those ones that leak all the time".

    Perhaps its review time......tests need to be performed. Facts need to be updated.
    Checklists need to be improved.
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    I am now wondering if they will let us have push-lock lines. Those can spin and not undo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsasuper View Post
    ????If there is any sort of screw fitting on the line then it is not up to NZ standard.The line must be a direct crimp to the banjo, with no screw fittings, even if they are just for decoration.Hope you can understand this time.
    Regardless of how you interpret the wording, the question of legality lies with the distinction between brake lines that rely on the integrity of the fitting of a ferrul by who knows what class of monkey and brake lines with swivel fittings crimped onto brake lines by a factory that has met certification standards.

    The hoses in the OP are of the latter type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Really? my stock standard Ducati brake fittings wouldn't comply then
    and my KR1 stuff has a screw together bit in the middle where it goes from one line to two, guess that is no good either

    I just got an aftermarket line for the rear which has similar fitting to the OP's, unlikely to get pulled up on it, but good to know that it relates to the hose-end crimp bit just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    I believe the technical term for this wonderful test is called a "brake (or break) test".

    They used to be common place back in the day when people gave a damn and didn't have a checklist.

    I love the fact the "Screw back" fittings are considered illegal......yet from an industrial sense they are fantastic.....and crimp fittings are "those ones that leak all the time".

    Perhaps its review time......tests need to be performed. Facts need to be updated.
    Checklists need to be improved.
    climb off your high horse and consider the possibility that, while the brakes will probably work when you take the bike in an hour after installing them, home made crap on such an important part of the bike has no proven longevity of performance.

    Keeping a strict standard might seem annoying to those cheapasses that thing stuffing some wedges of wood in instead of brake pads will suffice, but a set standard that is unwavering means that only fittings that have already proven longevity in reliability and performance means that (hopefully) bikes that are legally on the road are actually safer

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    I have the general KB view on it (not counting bsasuper), now I am going to find out if I can change Mr VTNZ technician's view of it. Check back in a couple of hours to see what happens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertim20 View Post
    you sure about that? I thought you had to pay again if you went somewhere else
    No I bought a bike that failed a warrant in Carterton VTNZ, fixed the problem and took it to Upper VTNZ within 28 days. Wasn't charged anything extra!
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