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[QUOTE=macros87;1130170782]So my bike failed WOF today and it opened a whole lot questions I now want answered. As you can see in the photos my rear break has a steel braided line attached to it. According to the man at VTNZ it is illegal for the hose to be attached to the little extension thing with a nut, and should instead be attached through crimping, the same way the stock ones are attached to my front break calliper. And due to this the bike failed its WOF.
Now that is all well and good and normally I would simply agree that if it not set up the way it needs to be by law then it needs to be changed and thats that.
Except when I asked why regulations required it to be crimped, actually curious if it is considered more reliable/safe/whatever other positive property fits here, he kinda shrugged it off and just made it seem he didn’t know.
I almost felt like he didn’t know what he was talking about, maybe I was just annoyed to begin with because when he was checking it over he actually jumped on to take it for a ride and started kicking it into first gear like an idiot before realizing it was in gear already. So maybe I had already made my mind up about him.
But then what does this mean for the other two VTNZ I have taken it to, one of them regularly too, do they just know fuck all? What about the places the previous owner took it to and passed it over the few years he owned it, did they also have no clue? Or the reputable mechanic business that fitted the hose banjo bits and all more than two years ago for which I have the receipt from the previous owner.
Not naming anyone but if It was done by a well established, reputable business shouldn’t they have know making those modifications were illegal??
So the real question I suppose is who should I believe? If I go with today’s guy, it means a whole lot of people have made mistakes/overlooked illegal modifications/have had no real training or knowledge for the job they claim to be professionals at.
look, VTNZ are fucking useless cunts.
VTNZ have a tick sheet. they know what is a pass, and what it a fail, but they dont know why. They are not paid to know why. they are paid to follow a ticksheet. thats why VTNZ dont do mechanical repairs, if you asked them to do a decoke, youd turn up to catch them doing lines of coke off your manifold.
VTNZ are fucking lazy, and even with their little tick sheet are renowned for being inconsistent and unreliable
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BIKE TO A BIKE SHOP. Dont be a cheap cunt and go to VTNZ cos its $5 cheaper.
Oh, and with a wof, certainly some things are absolutely important, but the laws around wof regulations were passed into law by a bunch of fucktards who wouldnt know the difference between Jenna Jaimeson's nipple. and a brake bleeding nipple. satisfy the VTNZ cunts, or go somewhere else. easy.
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Actually easier said than done. I used to have it at a bike shop, as obviously the mechanics are a whole lot better at it (and focussed on the safety side, rather than dotting i's and crossing t's).Originally Posted by tigertim20
However, I no longer use that brand (and they went under), and neither of my current dealers for the bikes actually do WOF's, both taking the bikes to local VTNZs.
Re brake lines OP, the rules have changed a few times over the years, the legality has already been dealt with by those qualified. At the end of the day, the inspectors are human, and not mechanics either. I've corrected their knowledge of lighting laws before. As WT says, explain your position POLITELY, and go from there.
Hardcore Biker
NO its not legal, not everyone at a wof testing facility will spot it because the quality of mechanical tradespeople in NZ is dropping, often they dont hold a trade certificate, I have worked next to people in mechanical jobs where their last job was a butcher,carpenter and even a postie.Do you ever ask the person at vtnz who is checking your car what qualifications he has?, anyone can do a short course and become a WOF tester.
Forum whore
Care to explain why its not legal there Trevor?
Clearly im not smart enough to spot it.
Hardcore Biker
I think its just up to who ever putting the wof on vehicles,my hotrods had those and I had to change them, the new ones have this stupid bit of rubber over the braided line then they crimp it and they say thats safer.My ducati has these ones aswell and have no dramas.So just take it somewhere else.
i'm motarded
I know fuck all, and even I know that is legal.
Forum whore
The issue of legality comes down to the fact that the pre-made lengths with swivel fittings crimped to the hose have been made in a factory that has been required to prove their manufacturing process meets certain standards.
Braided brake lines that are made up by Joe Bloggs have no way of proving that the job has been done to a safe standard.
Geriatric hoon
Basically, that's it in a nutshell.
When the new standard was introduced there was a lot of confusion. A relatively obscure standard was quoted with no explanation given as to why. There's at least one post on KB where a tester wanted a standard printed on the brake line, didn't matter too much what standard so long as there was one.
Unfortunately none of the manufacturers mark their lines with a standard, although HEL did fit a sleeve with some appropriate markings just for our benefit.
When TPTB finally awoke to their cock up an explanation was forthcoming. The whole point of the change was to exclude home made brake lines.
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Hardcore Biker
In my experience (and I've only had a little bit) is that if you have something fail for a WOF, and you doubt the reason why, or the explanation, ask for the inspector to show you in the VIRM, the specific regulation that constitutes the failure.
Then you can see that the inspector is correct, or that the regulation is so grey that you can politely argue your point until it will pass (usually...)
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Hardcore Biker
Yes I have heard VTNZ are pretty shocking at what they do. I would take it to a motorcycle shop, but west Auckland shops seem to have a habit of closing up/moving to the shore/take your shit down to VTNZ anyway.
Supose from now on ill have to make the trip into the city for it as soon as i find a shop that issues WOFs themselves.
I will be making a trip to the specific VTNZ that failed me though, sort it out, I work weekends so cant make it there till monday, will update then.
thanks Ocean1 thats just the shit I needed.
That is exactly what I was hoping to do when I asked for help here. Now armed with KB wisdom (is there is such as thing anyway) I can surely go down there and rectify the situation.In my experience (and I've only had a little bit
Then you can see that the inspector is correct, or that the regulation is so grey that you can politely argue your point until it will pass (usually...)
Are you playing devils advocate there? or are you actually saying that it is ILLEGAL just because he said So, combined with the fact that some people out there are shit at their jobs....
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Hardcore Biker
as others have said, it has a screw together fitting in the line.
Que?
I reckon we should have a poll on the subject. Macros87, how's your suspension?
Hardcore Biker
eh? the others have said they're legal
note 2 is ambiguous because it doesn't state which connection it's referring to.
- If note 2 is referring to the hose end connector to banjo bolt then the lines are illegal as you've said.
- If note 2 is referring to the hose to hose end connection (and therefore legal) then the note is redundant since (g) already states that the hose needs to be machine crimped or swaged... unless there are machine crimps which can be undone using hand tools??
I have Venhill lines on mine. I hope I get a WoF checker that has some common sense and passes them. After all, the banjo can be undone by any monkey with a spanner and is prefectly ok.
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