Failed WOF raised tons of questions. Add your two cents

[MikeD400]

you sure about that? I thought you had to pay again if you went somewhere else

Yup im sure i do it all the time.. I live in pukekohe and owrk in manukau i often fail in pukekohe then get it fixed and pop down to the manukau VTNZ during my lunch break for a resit, no problems at all.

[imdying]

According to the man at VTNZ it is illegal for the hose to be attached to the little extension thing with a nut, and should instead be attached through crimping, the same way the stock ones are attached to my front break calliper. And due to this the bike failed its WOF.

He is wrong. It is illegal for the nut on the end of the braided piece to be retained by a method other than crimping. Once you have that crimped connection terminating the braided line, what you screw on to it is your business. That includes banjo adaptors as in this case, but also includes such things as male male flare joiners and/or other thread size changers.

[macros87]

Yup im sure i do it all the time.. I live in pukekohe and owrk in manukau i often fail in pukekohe then get it fixed and pop down to the manukau VTNZ during my lunch break for a resit, no problems at all.

That is good to know, but for me it is a question of principle to tell people they are wrong! so I had to make a point of going back to the same one

He is wrong. It is illegal for the nut on the end of the braided piece to be retained by a method other than crimping. Once you have that crimped connection terminating the braided line, what you screw on to it is your business. That includes banjo adaptors as in this case, but also includes such things as male male flare joiners and/or other thread size changers.

And with that piece of information I went down there, and the original guy who failed the bike wasn't even there. so I explained the situation to another guy and he seemed apprehensive on going back on the original technicians decision so he went for a second opinion. The next guy straight away said it was legal.

Then the sore losers gave the bike another look over, finally I got my warrant, and I was happy to leave.

[SPman]

Can HEL banjos be spun in the crimp (if the lines are twisting)?

I'm looking to get HEL or Speigler if the WoF dude gets pissy to avoid the arse ache.

*sorry macros87 for the hijack*

I'll check, tonight.....

[SPP]

I'll check, tonight.....

Thanks.

Since the legality of screw in banjos has been settled I don't need rush out and buy some but it'd be good to know.

[awa355]

After a re read, Note 2 means "or similar process" can't be a connection which can be undone using hand tools. Legal (as many here have already said).

Is a hacksaw a handtool? Seems like anything could be used to weaken or loosen a brake line or fittings.

[imdying]

Is a hacksaw a handtool? Seems like anything could be used to weaken or loosen a brake line or fittings.

You would be best to assume that no braided lines are legal on your motorcycles then. You should also consider having mum blunten all of the instruments in the cutlery drawer.

[tigertim20]

That is good to know, but for me it is a question of principle to tell people they are wrong! so I had to make a point of going back to the same one



And with that piece of information I went down there, and the original guy who failed the bike wasn't even there. so I explained the situation to another guy and he seemed apprehensive on going back on the original technicians decision so he went for a second opinion. The next guy straight away said it was legal.

Then the sore losers gave the bike another look over, finally I got my warrant, and I was happy to leave.

wait a minute, Im sure someone will correct me if i am wrong, But I was under the distinct impression that if you fail a WOF and return for a retest, they are only able to recheck the items that did not pass, and are not allowed to fail you for an item they passed initially, so why the second look over?

[bogan]

wait a minute, Im sure someone will correct me if i am wrong, But I was under the distinct impression that if you fail a WOF and return for a retest, they are only able to recheck the items that did not pass, and are not allowed to fail you for an item they passed initially, so why the second look over?

Not in my experience, went back for a suspension re-check (they reckon the front end on my 250 felt a bit soft) and they pulled my up for a shorty* brake lever.




*By shorty I meant the end broke off when I dropped it at caltex

[Owl]

*By shorty I meant the end broke off when I dropped it at caltex

You don't have much luck with fuel stations do you?

[bogan]

You don't have much luck with fuel stations do you?

There have been good reasons both times, the last one was a damn good ride, and there was a hottie going past the caltex.
I do find myself wondering how much fuel the frame spars could hold though....

[avgas]

climb off your high horse and consider the possibility that, while the brakes will probably work when you take the bike in an hour after installing them, home made crap on such an important part of the bike has no proven longevity of performance.

Keeping a strict standard might seem annoying to those cheapasses that thing stuffing some wedges of wood in instead of brake pads will suffice, but a set standard that is unwavering means that only fittings that have already proven longevity in reliability and performance means that (hopefully) bikes that are legally on the road are actually safer

Because crimping a bit of tinfoil around your fittings is SOOO difficult.

Standardization never fixes anything. Simply sets a bar of perception.

[avgas]

wait a minute, Im sure someone will correct me if i am wrong, But I was under the distinct impression that if you fail a WOF and return for a retest, they are only able to recheck the items that did not pass, and are not allowed to fail you for an item they passed initially, so why the second look over?

Nope they can refail what ever they want.
I had to go back 3 times for 3 different problems once.

[imdying]

I can't believe you homos are still debating this. Katman is the closest to the reasoning behind our current rules, whether anyone accepts it or not.

Customer assembly is indeed the first problem, but it is actually a secondary problem; a monkey could put them together correctly initially.

The primary problem is that monkeys then undo the brake hose there, instead of at the caliper to hose junction (whether banjo or screw in), ignorant of the fact that the internal retaining olives on some brands of "make your own braided brake hose" are designed with a single use and then replacement, in mind. Some clamp down and damage the hose requiring the hose to be shortened if it is disassembled and then reassembled.

As Avgas mentions, from a performance perspective the screw together hoses are more than up to the task, but that relies on correct handling by somebody aware of their pitfalls. Even if that pitfall is as simple as don't take it apart again.

Most Kiwis have a much higher opinion of their mechanical abilities than is the reality; one reason we leaning towards becoming a nanny state regarding vehicle modification.

Research, knowledge, prudence, humility, these are the tenets that will keep you alive. Unfortunately we have a culture of "how hard can it be", "looks good to me", "she'll be right", and "I'm a man I can fix this" instead. Whilst that attitude has its place, and has allowed us to accomplish many things that people from other countries would drop in the too hard basket, it is not suitable when sharing the road or track with others who're relying on you for their lives.

[Ender EnZed]

wait a minute, Im sure someone will correct me if i am wrong, But I was under the distinct impression that if you fail a WOF and return for a retest, they are only able to recheck the items that did not pass, and are not allowed to fail you for an item they passed initially, so why the second look over?

If that was the case then if a car failed on bald front tyres but the rears were fine then you could just swap them over in the car park and take it back for a pass.