Failed WOF raised tons of questions. Add your two cents

[macros87]

So my bike failed WOF today and it opened a whole lot questions I now want answered. As you can see in the photos my rear break has a steel braided line attached to it. According to the man at VTNZ it is illegal for the hose to be attached to the little extension thing with a nut, and should instead be attached through crimping, the same way the stock ones are attached to my front break calliper. And due to this the bike failed its WOF.

Now that is all well and good and normally I would simply agree that if it not set up the way it needs to be by law then it needs to be changed and thats that.
Except when I asked why regulations required it to be crimped, actually curious if it is considered more reliable/safe/whatever other positive property fits here, he kinda shrugged it off and just made it seem he didn’t know.

I almost felt like he didn’t know what he was talking about, maybe I was just annoyed to begin with because when he was checking it over he actually jumped on to take it for a ride and started kicking it into first gear like an idiot before realizing it was in gear already. So maybe I had already made my mind up about him.

But then what does this mean for the other two VTNZ I have taken it to, one of them regularly too, do they just know fuck all? What about the places the previous owner took it to and passed it over the few years he owned it, did they also have no clue? Or the reputable mechanic business that fitted the hose banjo bits and all more than two years ago for which I have the receipt from the previous owner.

Not naming anyone but if It was done by a well established, reputable business shouldn’t they have know making those modifications were illegal??
So the real question I suppose is who should I believe? If I go with today’s guy, it means a whole lot of people have made mistakes/overlooked illegal modifications/have had no real training or knowledge for the job they claim to be professionals at.

[nzspokes]

Guess that means most cars on the road are illegal then.

[steve_t]

Where's imdying?

macros87, have a look through here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...line-legality?

[Ocean1]

From my understanding that line is legal.

The hose terminal is crimped, the fact that a banjo fitting is screwed to that doesn't make it non-compliant.

[macros87]

Where's imdying?

macros87, have a look through here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...line-legality?

Thanks for that, that answers a few questions.

From my understanding that line is legal.

The hose terminal is crimped, the fact that a banjo fitting is screwed to that doesn't make it non-compliant.

I am reading the legislation from that other thread and its quiet vague. and according to the first section its legal:

g) has an end fitting that is not attached to the hose
by means of swaging, machine crimping or a similar
process (Note 2)

The end fitting is attached to the hose by crimping so should be legal, but then read note 2 'Note 2 Hose end fittings that can be undone using hand tools are unacceptable'. That does seem to render mine illegal. so then which is it.

I was really hoping there would be someone on here that does WOFs himself maybe shed some light.

[98tls]

Cant see a problem with myself,what would annoy me is someone failing it then being unable to give an explanation.I had a similar problem with a wof regarding a tailight lens,it worked,it was safe,it was brighter than the oem but nope,failed a wof,turned out it should have passed anyway.

[sidecar bob]

I am, amongst other things, a qualified w.o.f inspector, & incedentaly had a w.o.f audit today.
The braided hose is legal, because the braided part is clearly crimped into a fitting, which is then threaded to a banjo fitting.
The illegal type, (only illegal for road use) which my classic racing sidecar is covered in, have a threaded banjo, that winds up inside the braided hose, & a threaded ferrule that screws back the other way on the outside of the braiding, to hold it all together.
Your w.o.f inspecting idiot has mis interpreted the manual & seems to be not paticularly worldly wise regarding braided hoses.

[98tls]

I am, amongst other things, a qualified w.o.f inspector, & incedentaly had a w.o.f audit today.
The braided hose is legal, because the braided part is clearly crimped into a fitting, which is then threaded to a banjo fitting.
The illegal type, (for road use) which my classic racing sidecar is covered in, have a threaded banjo, that winds up inside the braided hose, & a threaded ferrule that screws back the other way, to hold it all together.
Your w.o.f inspecting idiot has mis interpreted the manual & seems to be not paticularly worldly wise regarding braided hoses.

Nice work,to the thread starter go back armed with this and put the guy on the spot,may well save the next guy along some hassle.

[White trash]

I am, amongst other things, a qualified w.o.f inspector, & incedentaly had a w.o.f audit today.
The braided hose is legal, because the braided part is clearly crimped into a fitting, which is then threaded to a banjo fitting.
The illegal type, (only illegal for road use) which my classic racing sidecar is covered in, have a threaded banjo, that winds up inside the braided hose, & a threaded ferrule that screws back the other way on the outside of the braiding, to hold it all together.
Your w.o.f inspecting idiot has mis interpreted the manual & seems to be not paticularly worldly wise regarding braided hoses.

^^This Man^^ would know. But on the wall of every WOF issuing agent is the contact details of where to take your concerns should things not be right.

[Ocean1]

The end fitting is attached to the hose by crimping so should be legal, but then read note 2 'Note 2 Hose end fittings that can be undone using hand tools are unacceptable'. That does seem to render mine illegal. so then which is it.

I was really hoping there would be someone on here that does WOFs himself maybe shed some light.

Your hose-end fittings can't be undone with hand tools, it's a crimp. I believe the restriction relates to a type of hose terminal fitting that has a barb that goes up the hose inner lining and a ferrul, (sp?) that screws up over the hose outer. I use these for micro-hydraulic applications and they can be a bitch to get right. They obviously can be uncoupled from the hose itself with hand tools, ( a pair of spanners).

Edit: Well late, Bob's got it.

[Katman]

I'm also certified to carry out motorcycle WOF inspections and as Sidecar Bob says, that brake hose is legal.

[macros87]

I am, amongst other things, a qualified w.o.f inspector, & incedentaly had a w.o.f audit today.
The braided hose is legal, because the braided part is clearly crimped into a fitting, which is then threaded to a banjo fitting.
The illegal type, (only illegal for road use) which my classic racing sidecar is covered in, have a threaded banjo, that winds up inside the braided hose, & a threaded ferrule that screws back the other way on the outside of the braiding, to hold it all together.
Your w.o.f inspecting idiot has mis interpreted the manual & seems to be not paticularly worldly wise regarding braided hoses.

Thank you! this is exactly what I needed to know, while it annoys me that someone wasted my time and money, I think I would have been more annoyed to know a small army of qualified people kept getting it wrong over a period of years.

I think even armed with this he would not listen, when I told him that hose had passed several inspections already he told me I should have taken it to VTNZ when I told him I did I don't think he believed me. I had to be somewhere else and to be fair for all knew he could have been right so I didn't want to press the issue.

[White trash]

I am, amongst other things, a qualified w.o.f inspector, & incedentaly had a w.o.f audit today.
The braided hose is legal, because the braided part is clearly crimped into a fitting, which is then threaded to a banjo fitting.
The illegal type, (only illegal for road use) which my classic racing sidecar is covered in, have a threaded banjo, that winds up inside the braided hose, & a threaded ferrule that screws back the other way on the outside of the braiding, to hold it all together.
Your w.o.f inspecting idiot has mis interpreted the manual & seems to be not paticularly worldly wise regarding braided hoses.

Thank you! this is exactly what I needed to know, while it annoys me that someone wasted my time and money, I think I would have been more annoyed to know a small army of qualified people kept getting it wrong over a period of years.

I think even armed with this he would not listen, when I told him that hose had passed several inspections already he told me I should have taken it to VTNZ when I told him I did I don't think he believed me. I had to be somewhere else and to be fair for all knew he could have been right so I didn't want to press the issue.

Yeah, but you have a 28 day right of return at no cost to yourself. Go back, explain POLITELY the situation as you see it and with evidence of the law, I've no doubt he'll see reason. If not, as I said earlier, there's a complaints procedure.

[macros87]

Yeah, but you have a 28 day right of return at no cost to yourself. Go back, explain POLITELY the situation as you see it and with evidence of the law, I've no doubt he'll see reason. If not, as I said earlier, there's a complaints procedure.

Is there a central head quarters number to call on complaints or does ever place manage and receive their own complaints phone line?

can anyone maybe find me a photo of the illegal type of hose fitting? I am looking on google images but I am just not sure what I am looking for.

[Spearfish]

Not all VTNZ centres were created equal.
Small thing I had a problem with was doing a re-vin on a wee pre 80's bike with drum brakes fore and aft, apparently (while the inspector pointed to the front wheel) I needed a disc brake thickness cert before I could unload it off the trailer.


Go back with something to show to say its legal, they don't take criticism very well, probably due to the boy racers trying to get a shit box through a cert after getting a colourful sticker from the popo and having a tantrum with the list of failures.