Occupy Dunedin?

[mashman]

Not why I think he bothers but go on then.

I guess it's all point of view. I feel his frustration in regards to the Occupy movement and those who pour scalding water over it.

[BoristheBiter]

I guess it's all point of view. I feel his frustration in regards to the Occupy movement and those who pour scalding water over it.

What about the frustration of the business's that are trying to make a living but can't due to customers staying away?
It's not like in Auckland where they are not in way of everyday business.

I am all for free speech and the right to do so, but when if effects someone else's life (and the protesters don't care) then, for me, it looses all creditably and smacks of hypocrisy.

[mashman]

What about the frustration of the business's that are trying to make a living but can't due to customers staying away?
It's not like in Auckland where they are not in way of everyday business.

I am all for free speech and the right to do so, but when if effects someone else's life (and the protesters don't care) then, for me, it looses all creditably and smacks of hypocrisy.

Why are the customers staying away (are they protesting by staying away)? How are they in the way?

Who says the protesters don't care? and what about some of those that they're protesting about and the number of lives and livelihoods they don't care about year in year out, not just for a few weeks?

[BoristheBiter]

Why are the customers staying away (are they protesting by staying away)? How are they in the way?

Who says the protesters don't care? and what about some of those that they're protesting about and the number of lives and livelihoods they don't care about year in year out, not just for a few weeks?

I can't find the report but there was an article on the protesters shitting in the streets when it first started. That would be enough to stop me going anywhere near them.

And the protesters said as much when interviewed and asked the same question.

[mashman]

I can't find the report but there was an article on the protesters shitting in the streets when it first started. That would be enough to stop me going anywhere near them.

And the protesters said as much when interviewed and asked the same question.

I woulda thought that woulda been headline news. Farkin disgusting I agree... perhaps the businesses could have made there facilities available to the protesters (or is that sort of thing reserved for paying customers only )? Did the council put in portaloos or anything like that (or is that reserved for profit making functions )? Surely they would if it was affecting local businesses? Fortunately the Welly mob have a bog a short walk away.

[scumdog]

Who says the protesters don't care? and what about some of those that they're protesting about and the number of lives and livelihoods they don't care about year in year out, not just for a few weeks?

Looking at the cut of the jib of a fair few 'protestors' I get the impression they are 'alternative lifestylers' and a minority.

Their protest will affect large corperations like a paintball gun affects a rhino - colourful, a minute irritation, almost zero impact and soon forgotten...

[JimO]

they will have used up all their holidays by now

[Virago]

they will have used up all their holidays by now

Do beneficiaries get holidays...?

[scissorhands]

Things are not as they seem with the occupy movement.....

[Oscar]

I guess it's all point of view. I feel his frustration in regards to the Occupy movement and those who pour scalding water over it.

How are you supporting them?
Where do you think your Aprillia comes from?
Hand built by starving artisans in an anarchic collective or from some faceless corporation?

[mashman]

Looking at the cut of the jib of a fair few 'protestors' I get the impression they are 'alternative lifestylers' and a minority.

Their protest will affect large corperations like a paintball gun affects a rhino - colourful, a minute irritation, almost zero impact and soon forgotten...

so there's fewer people who understand that real change is needed, there ain't no surprise there. Doesn't make them wrong in my eyes, alternative lifestylers or not.

Again, no surprise there as I've said as much myself on the thread (I hope we're wrong though )... but I doubt it'll be forgotten, it may be, but I doubt it. Perhaps it'll spawn something entirely different.

Things are not as they seem with the occupy movement.....

??? do tell.

How are you supporting them?
Where do you think your Aprillia comes from?
Hand built by starving artisans in an anarchic collective or from some faceless corporation?

I'm not "against" them... and that's about all I can do without putting my family life on the line. Otherwise I'd be there in a heartbeat banging my heart against some mad buggas wall.
oh dear, so very predictable and unimaginative. I guess you miss the point/s.

[BoristheBiter]

I woulda thought that woulda been headline news. Farkin disgusting I agree... perhaps the businesses could have made there facilities available to the protesters (or is that sort of thing reserved for paying customers only )? Did the council put in portaloos or anything like that (or is that reserved for profit making functions )? Surely they would if it was affecting local businesses? Fortunately the Welly mob have a bog a short walk away.

Why should the business make their facilities available? if they are paying customers then fine but then they all go to MCD's to get the free wifi for their IPhone's.

Again why should the council pay for portaloo's? Shouldn't these protesters thought of that when they where getting organised? but then they would have to pay for something and that's what this is all about in the end isn't it, getting more for less.

[Oscar]

I'm not "against" them... and that's about all I can do without putting my family life on the line. Otherwise I'd be there in a heartbeat banging my heart against some mad buggas wall.
oh dear, so very predictable and unimaginative. I guess you miss the point/s.

Miss the point?
Far from it.

What I'm saying is if you support them, you are also supporting the corporates you/they rail against.
Have you/they given up your iPad, your Vodafone connection and your Italian Motorcycle??
Until you do, you're only dumb consumers putting money in the pockets of those you complain about.

[oneofsix]

Miss the point?
Far from it.

What I'm saying is if you support them, you are also supporting the corporates you/they rail against.
Have you/they given up your iPad, your Vodafone connection and your Italian Motorcycle??
Until you do, you're only dumb consumers putting money in the pockets of those you complain about.

Yep you miss the point. It is not about corporates that make our toys its about the corporates like the banks and financial institutions that rip us and our toy makers off whilst contributing very little.

[mashman]

Why should the business make their facilities available? if they are paying customers then fine but then they all go to MCD's to get the free wifi for their IPhone's.

Again why should the council pay for portaloo's? Shouldn't these protesters thought of that when they where getting organised? but then they would have to pay for something and that's what this is all about in the end isn't it, getting more for less.

That's a fair point, albeit somewhat childish and cutting your nose off to spite your face given that people are staying away because of the shit in the streets... Oh noes, people go to MCD's and use free wifi . They must be getting kicked out if they're not paying customers. Or aren't they allowed to use the toilets but the wifi is fine. I take your point, but if they truly believe that it's affecting business and the toilet is just sitting there ready to be used, then why not kill a few birds with 1 stone?

You're right that the protesters shoulda taken potty time into account. But people throw litter away all the time and the council clean up after them, why not pop a couple of portaloos in the square for the street shitters to use and negate the need for cleanup? There's sense and then there's being bloody minded, and because of what the protesters stand for, bloody mindedness seems to be winning the day. It's awful funny.

Miss the point?
Far from it.

What I'm saying is if you support them, you are also supporting the corporates you/they rail against.
Have you/they given up your iPad, your Vodafone connection and your Italian Motorcycle??
Until you do, you're only dumb consumers putting money in the pockets of those you complain about.

I've already paid for my "stuff", as has anyone else that currently has "stuff"... throwing it away would be kinda pointless, that's the point you miss. I'd understand your argument for buying future "stuff", but to a certain degree it's unavoidable to support a corporate given their "monopolies"... and as the locals charge too much (less volume sales higher pricing, right?), then there's precious little choice when it comes to saving a few $$$ but to support a corporate... especially if that something you need is vital for your work. Technology is awesome. It's a shame there are those who constrain it by releasing fads and maximising profits.

Yep you miss the point. It is not about corporates that make our toys its about the corporates like the banks and financial institutions that rip us and our toy makers off whilst contributing very little.

To be fair, and maybe only in my eyes, the toy making corporates are in there too... just a lot further down the list, , than the banksters and the extreme money hoarders. For me the toy boys are pumping more gadgets out than they need to (e.g. a phone every year... wait 5 years then upgrade the masses with useful shit, not just some smart voice recognition feature, waste of resources etc...), but I guess that's what it takes to stay in business. But that's a whole other argument I guess.