Occupy Dunedin?

[BoristheBiter]

Of course they do, on all counts. And that's why I stand up for it. It may not be exactly what I would prefer, money and value system gone etc..., but the basic principle of people first is in line with one of my high priority requirements for society.

Stand up for what?? You haven't said anything about what you stand for.

What do you want back to the dark ages? Remember the golden rule, them with the gold makes the rules.

[BoristheBiter]

This sums it up

[mashman]

Stand up for what?? You haven't said anything about what you stand for.

What do you want back to the dark ages? Remember the golden rule, them with the gold makes the rules.

Of course I have. I want equity via some form of resource based economy (doing things because they need to be done, not because there's a profit in it), I want rid of the financial system and the fucked up value system it perpetuates (to give us equity), and I want the hot 'n' spicy coating back at KFC (or the recipe). I could probably add to the list, but those 3 things will do for starters.

As for going back to the dark ages. Id that's what'll happen? do you really believe that troll? Thems with the gold still make the rules!

[mashman]

This sums it up

I see yet another "I'm alright Jack" useless cunt... so yeah you're right, it does sum it up

[scumdog]

This sums it up

Mwahahaha!

Good shit, good shit, a man after my own heart!!





Let the losers wallow in their misery I say, let them eat cake too!

[FJRider]

Let the losers wallow in their misery I say, let them eat cake too!

Wallow in their misery yes ... but who pays for the bloody cake ...

[JimO]

Wallow in their misery yes ... but who pays for the bloody cake ...

same people who are paying for their smokes n woodstock now.....the taxpayer

[BoristheBiter]

Of course I have. I want equity via some form of resource based economy (doing things because they need to be done, not because there's a profit in it), I want rid of the financial system and the fucked up value system it perpetuates (to give us equity), and I want the hot 'n' spicy coating back at KFC (or the recipe). I could probably add to the list, but those 3 things will do for starters.

As for going back to the dark ages. Id that's what'll happen? do you really believe that troll? Thems with the gold still make the rules!

And you think under your fancy economy based society it wouldn't be as fucked up as it is now? You really don't understand the human race do you?

Troll? Go and read up on how the dark ages were run and you might want to change your thoughts on your economy based society.
No place for your bludgers to go as if they don't work they don't get feed, same as the sick & disabled. If there isn't any money how can the government keep the infrastructure going? who' going to fix the road, repair your phone? I can just see it now, 41" LCD screen 5 cows or 10 pigs or 20kgs of carrots

How will you pay your power bill?

Your ideas are about as good idea as "barter card", good for ideals, useless in the real world.
Everything has it's price and money is the common ground to what is deemed "it's price". If you don't want to pay that price you go and find it somewhere else. Regardless of whether you use coins, chickens or bottle caps there will always be someone the has more than everyone else, someone the chargers more than everyone else and someone that wants to give it all away.

And you can fuck off with that hot'n'spicy, I want the original popcorn chicken back.

[mashman]

And you think under your fancy economy based society it wouldn't be as fucked up as it is now? You really don't understand the human race do you?

Troll? Go and read up on how the dark ages were run and you might want to change your thoughts on your economy based society.
No place for your bludgers to go as if they don't work they don't get feed, same as the sick & disabled. If there isn't any money how can the government keep the infrastructure going? who' going to fix the road, repair your phone? I can just see it now, 41" LCD screen 5 cows or 10 pigs or 20kgs of carrots

How will you pay your power bill?

Your ideas are about as good idea as "barter card", good for ideals, useless in the real world.
Everything has it's price and money is the common ground to what is deemed "it's price". If you don't want to pay that price you go and find it somewhere else. Regardless of whether you use coins, chickens or bottle caps there will always be someone the has more than everyone else, someone the chargers more than everyone else and someone that wants to give it all away.

And you can fuck off with that hot'n'spicy, I want the original popcorn chicken back.

Of course it wouldn't be as fucked up... I'm not claiming, not wholly, to understand the human race, but I certainly ain't gonna write off any individual given that we each react a different way under a system that measures their societal "contribution" financially and forces them to need money to live. Under those conditions most human beings will do anything, and constantly do. But I also understand that given a completely different set of circumstances, such as an economy that doesn't judge effort by financially penalising someone because of their "career" choice, under those circumstances I'm pretty damn sure you'd see a completely different side to the exact same person that's currently a compulsive thief, politicians included, heh. Thieving isn't a genetic condition ya know! It's very much situational and 99% (snigger) of the motivation is to acquire money . That in itself is the greatest fuck up of mankind. So yes, it wouldn't be anywhere near as fucked up.

If it's not a troll, then it's a serious lack of imagination. Technology and technological advancement are here to stay and are very useful indeed, unless of course we lose the ability to generate electricity. Do you believe that we wouldn't have had the advancements we have had it not been for war? Anyway, why would not having money send us back to the dark ages? Why would bludgers not get fed if they can just walk into a supermarket a pick food up for free? too stoned to move perhaps . Why would we stop caring for the sick and elderly? There are people who currently look after the sick and elderly and they're some of the lowest paid people around... which would suggest that they do it because they care. Why would infrastrcture not be maintained or "stuff" not be fixed when people have already chosen to do these jobs? I'd also say that in a resource based economy, or something similar without money, people would have more free time as the load would be shared and we wouldn't waste time on building useless crap coz it might turn a profit. Let's take Transmission Gully as an example of a useless waste of money , manpower and resource. Currently when I ride to work the traffic often backs up to Newlands, a good few K's out of town. what's the point in rushing more people to the same bottleneck? You can only get X amount of vehicles into the city at any given point in time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignoring that basic fact and really hasn't thought the idea through. Same can be said for many other projects that we waste cash on.

You wouldn't need to pay a power bill if power generation was free.

In a free economy there would be no need for trade. I'm not saying that Bob won't want to swap something with Frank, but where we're talking about something for everyone, I don't see the need for trade if "stuff" is free. If it makes sense to make something, then make it, "cost" wouldn't matter, especially if all resources are local and they would be used to do exactly the same thing under the current system.

I'm sure there would be people that would "drop out", but I'd venture that that would be generational and that the generation comign through in the "free" society, would have a stronger work ethic. We'd also have the right person in the right job, hence I don't fully hold equality as a reason to do it, because we aren't all equal. That shouldn't stop us from giving everyone the opportunity to explore themselves as far as they feel comfortable with. If everyone does what needs to be done, it'll work, and it'll work to the advantage of all of us. I dare say locksmiths would go out of business. I highly doubt that the population would shit all over the idea if someone that wasn't an idiot took the idea and converted it into a sensible proposal, cost v benefit so to speak.

Byproducts: no poverty, free education (people will still want to teach), free healthcare (people will still want to be doctors/nurses/GP's etc...), by far less crime (a high percentage of crime is financially motivated and/or related), more free time (once the logistics were worked out), less pressure on the family unit, no need to get pregnant to "earn" more money, and likely many many many more things that I can't think of or be bothered going into. Just take your top 10 issues and apply the above thinking to it and watch the issues all but disappear. I don't see these things as unachievable by any stretch of the imagination (ya need one though ), let alone being negative and sending us back to the dark ages. Anyone can figure it out for themselves, if they choose to do so. If they choose to ignore the obvious, well nothing's really changed and we'll keep on going until we implode/explode or are conquered or enslaved (we're already conquered and enslaved in my eyes, so it's just waiting for the the inevitable civil problem).

I just knew you were a chicken popcornanite. Can't handle the heat eh, ya wee fockin poof!

[BoristheBiter]

O..............just waiting for the the inevitable civil problem).

I just knew you were a chicken popcornanite. Can't handle the heat eh, ya wee fockin poof!

You really are a dreamer.

Actually i quite like your idea, everything is free, so no one does anything, and nothing gets done, so nothing is available, so there is nothing to have, so nothing to aspire to, so we all become nothing.
All jobs are now the same so we have a lot of street sweepers as that is the easiest job to do and we have no doctors or nurses or their numbers are so low they are working 20 hours a day. Really how long do you think that will last


You must just have a nicer picture of the human race than I do, I guess that comes with looking at the shit side all the time.

And I do like the not'n'spicy thank you very much I just prefer PCC

[Big Dave]

Actually i quite like your idea, everything is free, so no one does anything, and nothing gets done, so nothing is available, so there is nothing to have, so nothing to aspire to, so we all become nothing.

I'll have Buddhism for 10.

[mashman]

You really are a dreamer.

Actually i quite like your idea, everything is free, so no one does anything, and nothing gets done, so nothing is available, so there is nothing to have, so nothing to aspire to, so we all become nothing.
All jobs are now the same so we have a lot of street sweepers as that is the easiest job to do and we have no doctors or nurses or their numbers are so low they are working 20 hours a day. Really how long do you think that will last


You must just have a nicer picture of the human race than I do, I guess that comes with looking at the shit side all the time.

And I do like the not'n'spicy thank you very much I just prefer PCC

maybe... but the idea is entirely possible...

The funny thing is, we'd be doing pretty much exactly the same things as we do today, but for a slightly different reason and no money... so things would be free, people would do things (if we don't, then it won't work), everything is available (terms and conditions apply i.e. you're not just wasting the resource), we'd aspire to be the best we could (people will still have hobbies , Einstein wasn't a scientist by trade), but to a certain degree you're right, we'd become nothing, and everything. I'm not talking love and peace man, more offering a logical alternative in regards to addressing our consistent issues, instead of relying on the tried and failed current financial solutions on offer.

We're all going to take the path of least resistance? With your outlook on life, I'm surprised we're still not in the dark ages. Ever hear a kid say they wanna be a doctor/policeman/astronaut etc... when they grow up? That ain't for financial reasons. Perhaps they don't know yet know the joys of street sweeping, hmmm ...

Maybe that's true, but probably not in its current guise though, as I'd like to see the death penalty for certain crimes, and would encourage its return for "my" society... but that doesn't mean that the majority of the human race couldn't be "more" than they already are given a equitable environment... none of which I would consider as me dreaming.

Gawd, that like saying I own a honda and I'm not gay... feckin chicken popcorn lovers...

[jazfender]

This sums it up

All good if you're down with killing people for a living.

[JimO]

All good if you're down with killing people for a living.

perhaps he could go to work on the occupy leeches

[BoristheBiter]

All good if you're down with killing people for a living.

Better than bludging.