BMW excluded from BEARS in the Tri Series!

**Robert Taylor** · 21st October 2011, 17:54

The reality is this site wouldnt be remotely near to being on Toms radar screen.

**Kickaha** · 21st October 2011, 18:01

Originally Posted by gixerracer

Only because I had an off day

As opposed to having an off per day?

Originally Posted by avgas

BEARS is a waste of space.

Said it before and I am guaranteed to say it again.

We need a real class with legitimate rules to replace it.

That's because BEARs in the NI is a pale imitation of what happens with it in the South

**Drew** · 21st October 2011, 18:16

Originally Posted by Dreama

To all those that think BEARs is a joke, a waste of space or whatever, perhaps attend the SOT in Feb and then ask the same question. Hundreds of passionate riders, gorgeous hand built and lovingly maintained and restored bikes and above all .... an atmosphere of fun, humour and enjoyable rivallry.

However, it's a stand alone meeting so it's different to the BEARs class being discussed here, which is mainly a Nth Island phenonoma because the BEARs down south are strong enough to run their own meetings.
But there is no doubt the landscape has changed with the BMW and Aprilla 4's being head and shoulders above the BEARs bikes of just a few years ago, so it's all unbalanced now and that balance needs to be addressed ..... something, it seems, that the Tri Nations organiser has attempted to do. It's pretty clear that Sloan did recognise that fact.
How the BEARs 'class' (as opposed to 'club') in these types of meetings will survive depends on how that balance gets addressed, but in the US the 'Twins' class seems to be the answer to that.

So there needs to be yet another class introduced?

I have no problem with the BEArs class, the people who are passionate about riding non Japanese bikes (but can't keep up with them) are of course as entitled to race an appropriate class. It is good for the non biking public to see the different (Read; LOUDER) bikes on the track.

I have been to the sound of thunder meeting, I raced there. The feilds were made up of 90% Ducati, including the two my team mate and I were riding. By what you are saying I can only assume you want a class in which lovers of the Ducati can run at the front. One exists now, it's called superbike, Just ask Carlos Checa.

**Shorty_925** · 21st October 2011, 18:17

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

infact it just creates more hype.

Get the Alessi-like t-shirts made up, create more hype!

**Drew** · 21st October 2011, 18:19

Originally Posted by Kickaha

That's because BEARs in the NI is a pale imitation of what happens with it in the South

How about you and your cronies organise a BEArs meeting up here and show us how it's done then?

A lot of the guys racing BEArs down there are in better financial position than most racers I know, tell them to pony up!

**Kickaha** · 21st October 2011, 19:25

Originally Posted by Drew

How about you and your cronies organise a BEArs meeting up here and show us how it's done then?

They did run a Northern Sound of Thunder at Pukekohe about 1988, I remember thinking what a bumpy shithole the track was, I don't think anything has really changed

Originally Posted by Drew

A lot of the guys racing BEArs down there are in better financial position than most racers I know, tell them to pony up!

Tell them yourself

**wharfy** · 21st October 2011, 21:47

Originally Posted by White trash

Hey Wharfy, will you be contesting BEARS and F2 mate?

That's the plan

**Drew** · 21st October 2011, 22:29

Originally Posted by wharfy

That's the plan

CHEAT!

You're getting too much track time, it's unfair on those who can't cross enter!

The whole situation has been piss poorly handled, and I for one think Sloan should enter the S1000 in BEArs as the rules clearly state he can. Unless the organiser can give a valid reason as to why it's only him that cannot.

**driftn** · 22nd October 2011, 09:33

So Chop....... Can I borrow your bike for BEARS??

**tigertim20** · 22nd October 2011, 16:28

Originally Posted by Drew

CHEAT!

You're getting too much track time, it's unfair on those who can't cross enter!

The whole situation has been piss poorly handled, and I for one think Sloan should enter the S1000 in BEArs as the rules clearly state he can. Unless the organiser can give a valid reason as to why it's only him that cannot.

In case you missed the several pages where this was discussed Il explain it for you.
He CAN enter, but not the SAME bike.
organisers have said that being a once day even thats being run, to let a few guys enter the same bike on the same track on the same day, into TWO different classes, and therefore give them double the setup and double the practice time, would be unfair on the others contesting the premier class.

IF however Sloan wanted to race an s-thou in bears, he could have one bike for bears, and one bike for superbike, thus negating any advantage he has in setting up his superbike, as no matter how identical you think two bikes are, they will always have some differences.

Personally, Id like to see sloan get lent a 2nd bimmer and ride both.

**Kickaha** · 22nd October 2011, 16:36

Originally Posted by tigertim20

organisers have said that being a once day even thats being run, to let a few guys enter the same bike on the same track on the same day, into TWO different classes, and therefore give them double the setup and double the practice time, would be unfair on the others contesting the premier class.

Yeah but the organisers should have said that before entries went in rather than changing the rules of the game part way through it

Premier class? I didn't realise he was trying to enter it in Buckets I thought he was just riding a poofy Superbike

**Billy** · 22nd October 2011, 16:38

Originally Posted by tigertim20

In case you missed the several pages where this was discussed Il explain it for you.
He CAN enter, but not the SAME bike.
organisers have said that being a once day even thats being run, to let a few guys enter the same bike on the same track on the same day, into TWO different classes, and therefore give them double the setup and double the practice time, would be unfair on the others contesting the premier class.

IF however Sloan wanted to race an s-thou in bears, he could have one bike for bears, and one bike for superbike, thus negating any advantage he has in setting up his superbike, as no matter how identical you think two bikes are, they will always have some differences.

Personally, Id like to see sloan get lent a 2nd bimmer and ride both.

Err,I think Drew was just taking the piss

**White trash** · 22nd October 2011, 16:43

Originally Posted by tigertim20

In case you missed the several pages where this was discussed Il explain it for you.
He CAN enter, but not the SAME bike.
organisers have said that being a once day even thats being run, to let a few guys enter the same bike on the same track on the same day, into TWO different classes, and therefore give them double the setup and double the practice time, would be unfair on the others contesting the premier class.

IF however Sloan wanted to race an s-thou in bears, he could have one bike for bears, and one bike for superbike, thus negating any advantage he has in setting up his superbike, as no matter how identical you think two bikes are, they will always have some differences.

Personally, Id like to see sloan get lent a 2nd bimmer and ride both.

Ummmmmmmm, what about all the people that are cross entering BEArs and F1/F2?

**Kickaha** · 22nd October 2011, 16:46

Originally Posted by White trash

Ummmmmmmm, what about all the people that are cross entering BEArs and F1/F2?

Maybe they give better blowjobs than Choppa

**tigertim20** · 22nd October 2011, 16:52

Originally Posted by Billy

Err,I think Drew was just taking the piss

mybe, but im drinking, subtlety is lost on me at this point!

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Yeah but the organisers should have said that before entries went in rather than changing the rules of the game part way through it

Premier class? I didn't realise he was trying to enter it in Buckets I thought he was just riding a poofy Superbike

Agree, yes there should have been more forethought/transparency with it, but fuck, these politics and rule changes are a fact of life with racing, you got to just accept the rules and do the best you can with the parameters you have.
Oh and choppa in buckets, perhaps you mised this thread?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...s-bucket-build