MotoGP 2012

**Crasherfromwayback** · 7th December 2011, 08:01

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Would you have done any different Pete? Michelin had plenty of time to catch up and didn't seem to be making any progress. That Rossi then went out and won on the Bridgies kinda proves his argument?

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Not that I've every raced at anything like that level, but yes I would and did. My bosses very generously purchased a full two seasons worth of Dunlop K591R's for my 883 twin sport bike, on Morgan and Whackers recommendation. The bike I was racing was their ex Aust championship bike. But as soon as I got the thing out on track, it was blindingly obvious that what worked on the hot tracks of Australia, didn't work here so well. They took at least four laps to warm up, and the races were only six lappers. As we were not allowed to run tyre warmers, this was obviously a rather large problem. Did I switch to the Avons and Metzelers Ainstey and co were running? Nope. I did the best I could with what I had.

Think you'll find that the Michelins were still better at some tracks the year Rossi left. After all, wasn't Pedrosa winning the championship on them until he broke his wrist in Germany?

**slowpoke** · 7th December 2011, 08:41

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Not that I've every raced at anything like that level, but yes I would and did. My bosses very generously purchased a full two seasons worth of Dunlop K591R's for my 883 twin sport bike, on Morgan and Whackers recommendation. The bike I was racing was their ex Aust championship bike. But as soon as I got the thing out on track, it was blindingly obvious that what worked on the hot tracks of Australia, didn't work here so well. They took at least four laps to warm up, and the races were only six lappers. As we were not allowed to run tyre warmers, this was obviously a rather large problem. Did I switch to the Avons and Metzelers Ainstey and co were running? Nope. I did the best I could with what I had.

Think you'll find that the Michelins were still better at some tracks the year Rossi left. After all, wasn't Pedrosa winning the championship on them until he broke his wrist in Germany?

With those sorts of morals what the hell are ya doin' sellin' motor sickles??!! Haha, good illustration though, you've got me fucked now!

**Crasherfromwayback** · 7th December 2011, 09:07

Originally Posted by slowpoke

With those sorts of morals what the hell are ya doin' sellin' motor sickles??!! Haha, good illustration though, you've got me fucked now!

lol...I got sick of being a mechanic! Now I've got suck lovely soft hands. Much better for playing with myself.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 7th December 2011, 09:11

Casey is not feeling the love! Funny that.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/...06stonerv8.htm

**eelracing** · 7th December 2011, 12:38

Originally Posted by Reckless

why the bloody hell they are designing whole bikes around tyres, should be the other way round surly?
I've had this thought for a while after a few of the teams over the 2011 season keep complaining about lack of front end feel and often said can't modify the bike to suit the tyre? Also the race that there was so much rubber down there was only one race line and no passing as a result.
All you here about is Chatter this, lack of front feel, tyre this, tyre that?? Then there's is the riders and teams that simply can't or don't have the money to change everything for the tyres sake instead of being able to change the tyre manufacturer therefore tyre construction to suit their bike?
Why are we designing whole bikes around tyres. Ain't that backwards! Seems to me there's more cost in the chassis changes than having more than one tyre manufacturer? I realise the intention one tyre manufacturer rule but it just seems tyres now play such a dominant role over everything or was the 2011 tyre simply a stuff up?

Mate the intention of the one make tyre rule was always about making "more of a show" but it was hidden behind a keeping costs down reason.And we all know it's a crock.

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

That's what you get when someone with as much clout as Rossi starts bitching and moaning about his Michelin's after they gave him how many titles? and such good service, only for him to jump ship 1/2 way through a season to go with Bridgestone.

I'm sure Michelin would've taken stock and come back better. Now look. Rules, rules and more rules. It's fucked the class.

Totally agree.But what fucked Michelin was they could no longer bring their overnight specials out on raceday.

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Michelin had plenty of time to catch up and didn't seem to be making any progress.

No they did'nt,they never got the chance because of the One Tyre Rule and Bridgestone won the contract.Rainey swapped tyre manufacturers constantly due to team manager Kenny Roberts reasoning that you got stronger support (from then Dunlop) because every other cunt was running on Michelins,so why limit yourself to what everyone else was doing.

As for the tyre war I kinda like the fact that all the riders and teams are starting from the same base point: the point of contact with the road. There needs to be absolute equality in a few areas otherwise it just becomes farcical. If a tyre war is allowed, why not a fuel war? Or remove weight limits and see how light we can get these things? Etc etc. Just my opinion but tyres are one of the crucial areas that should be standardised to keep it a Rider's Championship.

Hell Slowpoke why not standardise the engines and chassis as well...lets call it Moto1 and get this charade called GP racing out the back door with the two strokes.
I'm no fan of CRT but if it goes halfway to bringing back true GP competition between teams/manufacturers/suppliers then i will accept it with provizo's...bring back the tyre wars,I want to see other teams on Miche's,Dunlops,bridgestone as well as WP,Showa,Kayaba,Ohlins,AP lockheed,Nissins,Brembo etc etc like GP racing should be.(might even bring the costs down to boot)

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Casey is not feeling the love! Funny that.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/...06stonerv8.htm

Nah mate he still comes across as a crybaby.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 7th December 2011, 12:45

Originally Posted by eelracing

Totally agree.But what fucked Michelin was they could no longer bring their overnight specials out on raceday.

Nah mate he still comes across as a crybaby.

For sure mate. But that certainly was a very unfair advantage.

The others must hate being whipped by such a crybaby.

**denill** · 7th December 2011, 12:51

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Casey is not feeling the love! Funny that.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/...06stonerv8.htm

IMHO what he said would be absolutely right.

There are no piss ups after a MotoGP........................

**Crasherfromwayback** · 7th December 2011, 13:04

Originally Posted by denill

There are no piss ups after a MotoGP........................

Apart from an obvious lack of riding talent compared to those sick fuckers, I never would've fitted in anyway!

**slowpoke** · 7th December 2011, 23:59

Originally Posted by eelracing

[COLOR="#FFFF00"] Hell Slowpoke why not standardise the engines and chassis as well...lets call it Moto1 and get this charade called GP racing out the back door with the two strokes.
I'm no fan of CRT but if it goes halfway to bringing back true GP competition between teams/manufacturers/suppliers then i will accept it with provizo's...bring back the tyre wars,I want to see other teams on Miche's,Dunlops,bridgestone as well as WP,Showa,Kayaba,Ohlins,AP lockheed,Nissins,Brembo etc etc like GP racing should be.(might even bring the costs down to boot)

We actually agree, just about different things. Why limit gearbox ratio's (max 6) or brake disc size (max 320mm) or fuel pressure (max 10bar) or electronic suspension or fuel load....and then leave tyres open? I'd rather lose some of the other rules and keep the tyre rule so everyone starts from the same base point and the merits of the bikes/riders are apparent, rather than just the merits of the tyres.

Those companies you mentioned are open to enter, and it would be great to see them competing (again, in some cases), but obviously they either can't or won't supply appropriate products or support. Then again the CRT thing might change that as teams explore their options? The more people are building bikes the more chance of alternative solutions or business partners? Time will tell I guess, but it's a nice dream while it lasts, lol.

**Brian d marge** · 8th December 2011, 01:29

Originally Posted by slowpoke

We actually agree, just about different things. Why limit gearbox ratio's (max 6) or brake disc size (max 320mm) or fuel pressure (max 10bar) or electronic suspension or fuel load....and then leave tyres open? I'd rather lose some of the other rules and keep the tyre rule so everyone starts from the same base point and the merits of the bikes/riders are apparent, rather than just the merits of the tyres.

Those companies you mentioned are open to enter, and it would be great to see them competing (again, in some cases), but obviously they either can't or won't supply appropriate products or support. Then again the CRT thing might change that as teams explore their options? The more people are building bikes the more chance of alternative solutions or business partners? Time will tell I guess, but it's a nice dream while it lasts, lol.

Money , is tight with the factories , everyone is scaling back

Stephen