MotoGP 2012

**Cleve** · 17th September 2012, 23:09

Originally Posted by denill

not really. David Emmett sees it a bit different - as a Pedrosa and team cock up... http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/..._up_pedro.html

**Drew** · 18th September 2012, 07:27

Originally Posted by denill

OK, you celebrate the occasion then.

I understand how annoyed Pete must get with people hating jet for it's own sake.

**roogazza** · 18th September 2012, 08:42

Originally Posted by denill

Even I was pleased to see such a strong ride that showed promise - but Gaz, it should have been up there 18 mths ago. It's a bit fkn late now.
Plus if Stoner and Pedro had been where they shoulda been it would have been a 4th place finish..............

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

I agree it should've been there well before now. But second is second fair and square. Don't matter that Stoner and Pedro were'nt there...because they weren't! Not Rossi's fault they weren't!

Morning boys, I think the stars aligned for Vale in this one, but the test is the next one, always is.
I'm saving my

for next year ! lol.

ps love watching that little guy MM in moto2. Great racing.

**denill** · 18th September 2012, 09:08

Originally Posted by roogazza

Morning boys, I think the stars aligned for Vale in this one, but the test is the next one, always is.

Giday Gaz. Yeah one of the many factors that provided that result would be the playing field was leveled with the limited amount of set up time available due to weather. (OK, I know there are other factors)

Maybe all MotoGPs should all have one practice session??

**tail_end_charlie** · 18th September 2012, 10:04

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/..._up_pedro.html

In particular:
"The book that this is being run by is the FIM's Grand Prix Road Racing regulations, but it is a book that very few riders ever consult much."
"But some familiarity with the rules would have helped greatly on Sunday"

Looks like Billy isn't the only person who has trouble getting riders to read and be familar with the rule book.

**Oscar** · 18th September 2012, 10:23

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/..._up_pedro.html

In particular:
"The book that this is being run by is the FIM's Grand Prix Road Racing regulations, but it is a book that very few riders ever consult much."
"But some familiarity with the rules would have helped greatly on Sunday"

Looks like Billy isn't the only person who has trouble getting riders to read and be familar with the rule book.

Pedrosa has no real complaint - the restart has to be done as soon as possible and it was mainly his team that was holding it up. He was phucked the moment they wheeled his bike off of the grid.

**imdying** · 18th September 2012, 10:44

Rossi's podium should be no surprise... Take the Repsol Honda bikes out and even the shitters are fast

Anybody know what happen to Pedobear's bike? I refuse to believe that lark the commentators were giving us about the brakes having locked up from heat.

**Oscar** · 18th September 2012, 10:53

Originally Posted by imdying

Rossi's podium should be no surprise... Take the Repsol Honda bikes out and even the shitters are fast

Anybody know what happen to Pedobear's bike? I refuse to believe that lark the commentators were giving us about the brakes having locked up from heat.

Pedrosa said the brakes were locked, but it looked like a jammed tyre warmer on the front wheel.

**tail_end_charlie** · 18th September 2012, 12:35

Originally Posted by Oscar

Pedrosa said the brakes were locked, but it looked like a jammed tyre warmer on the front wheel.

When I watched the race, it looked very much like the brakes were locked up. The mechanic removing the tire warmers tried to rotate the front wheel to get the warmer off, but it was locked solid. That is when he started panicking a little and started jerking on the tire warmer. If it was just the tire warmer stuck in the fender or something like that there would have been a little give in it for the wheel to rotate, but it didn't.

Maybe part of the tire warmer got stuck in the brake caliper and caused the problem? Or maybe someone forgot to release the parking brake........

**Oscar** · 18th September 2012, 12:37

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

When I watched the race, it looked very much like the brakes were locked up. The mechanic removing the tire warmers tried to rotate the front wheel to get the warmer off, but it was locked solid. That is when he started panicking a little and started jerking on the tire warmer. If it was just the tire warmer stuck in the fender or something like that there would have been a little give in it for the wheel to rotate, but it didn't.

Maybe part of the tire warmer got stuck in the brake caliper and caused the problem? Or maybe someone forgot to release the parking brake........

You could be right - if you look at Pedrosa just before the false start, he's looking over the fairing at his front wheel.

**denill** · 18th September 2012, 12:50

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

The mechanic removing the tire warmers tried to rotate the front wheel to get the warmer off, but it was locked solid. That is when he started panicking a little and started jerking on the tire warmer.

Watching that at the time my impression was the tyre warmer was jammed under the guard. The mechanic was certainly in a, not often seen at the level, panic.

**tail_end_charlie** · 18th September 2012, 13:08

Originally Posted by denill

Watching that at the time my impression was the tyre warmer was jammed under the guard. The mechanic was certainly in a, not often seen at the level, panic.

That was my initial thought as well. But when he grabbed the front wheel and tried to rotate it, it didn't move at all. Then I believe he tried to rotate it the other way, and still didn't budge. That he couldn't get it to rotate at all is what made me think that it was more then the tire warmer stuck in the fairing. But other then it getting stuck in the caliper somehow, I can't think of any other way for the brakes to lock. And then how did they get it resolved so quickly when it was wheeled into pit lane when they couldn't get it on the grid. Was it just that the first mechanic was panicking? Or did they need a tool to release things, so they had to wheel it into pit lane to follow the rules? I think the latter may have some basis; since it was going into pit lane, someone also thought to switch on the pit lane limiter for Dani to start the warm up lap from pit lane. But then they wheeled the bike back to the grid (looked like Dani was telling them to do so) and it took a little bit for Dani to get it switched off, hence the pace car passing him.

Whatever specifically happened, I think that its a good example of even one the best pit crews royally screwing up. Would have been interesting to listen to their post race AAR.

**imdying** · 18th September 2012, 16:08

Yeah, something like that makes more sense. There simply wasn't sufficient energy expelled from stopping at the start to boil fluid, so I didn't buy that spiel.