MotoGP 2012

[tail_end_charlie]

Don't know why they don't open up Moto2 to other engine builders , if you set a standard ECU and rev limit etc. It appears to work in Moto3.

My thoughts exactly. Probably the biggest reason is that it will really drive up the costs for the teams. Still, it would be good to see some different engines and configurations in the mix. I wonder how long they are locked into the deal with Honda to provide the engines??

[Mental Trousers]

I believe Honda will leave if dorma pushes through the spec ecu thing[

And go where?

Exactly. Dorna now slots in above InFront so pretty much have control over WSBK

Don't know why they don't open up Moto2 to other engine builders , if you set a standard ECU and rev limit etc. It appears to work in Moto3.

That was the original plan. Don't know when they're doing it though.

[Mental Trousers]

My thoughts exactly. Probably the biggest reason is that it will really drive up the costs for the teams. Still, it would be good to see some different engines and configurations in the mix. I wonder how long they are locked into the deal with Honda to provide the engines??

They're not. It's year by year.

[ktm84mxc]

Wouldn't competition for engines bring down the price surly a R6 based engine will be more than competitive, if you had a minimum weight for the engine that would cancel out those exotic metals etc.

[tail_end_charlie]

Wouldn't competition for engines bring down the price surly a R6 based engine will be more than competitive

There are a couple of ways they could go as I see it (pertaining to Moto2 engines):

1. Stick with the current setup of a spec engine supplied by a certain manufuacture that is "sealed" and use a corresponding spec ecu (which is also "sealed") so that individual teams cannot change much with the engine. Currently, I think, they can adjust some of the fueling maps and maybe the ignition timing, but these are only minor adjustments and won't make a significant difference to performance. Other than that, the engine is more or less a bolt on object that the teams have to adjust everything else around (frame geometry, rigidity, fuel placement, aerodynamics, ect.) Cheapest option for everyone involved but allows the least amount of customization.

2. Open up the rules to allow different engines from different manufactures and tuning to be done by the teams. They could limit things a little by allowing only 600cc engines that are in current production and write up rules on what you can and can't modify. More or less making it very similar to what you can do in Supersport racing. Maybe stipulate a spec ecu so that the electronics can be controlled for the most part and you don't have teams throwing dough at the geeks to make the bike faster. More expensive than option 1, but far less expensive than 2, would also be a bit of a middle ground.

3. Allow only custom built engines in any configuration up to 600cc (but must be 4 stroke, none of that damn 2 stroke shit!). Could run a spec ECU that would allow almost unlimited tuning of the engine and data logging and such, but prevents the use of any type of traction control. Similar to MotoGP in that no major componets from production bikes would be allowed. This would allow the ultimate in customization between the teams, but would bear a significant jump in costs over what the teams are incuring currently. Personally I think that this option would be the most interesting and that it would keep the closest to the Grand Prix idea of racing.

if you had a minimum weight for the engine that would cancel out those exotic metals etc.

This wouldn't work because the overall weight of the engine does not have a significant impact on the dynamics of the bike. The issue with using exotic metals to reduce weight only starts to be cost effective when they are used to reduce the recipricating weight. They would be better off just banning the said exotic metals from use.

[Mental Trousers]

The current formula works. It's produced some of the best racing at that level we've seen for a while, there's 30+ on the grid every race and the top guys are turning into superstars. They're not going to change it just yet.

Don't fuck with something that's not broken.

[macka77]

The current formula works. It's produced some of the best racing at that level we've seen for a while, there's 30+ on the grid every race and the top guys are turning into superstars. They're not going to change it just yet.

Don't fuck with something that's not broken.

exactly they need to fix the motogp class to bring it back to be competitive for all teams not just two, its kinda boring now

[BMWST?]

And go where?

They spent some time away from the gp scene recently and put a little more effort into super bikes,not that they HAVE to go anywhere

[Badjelly]

Max pretty much lost his Moto GP dream for being an arrogant nasty lil arsehole that no one wanted to employ.

I reckon if he'd won the championship in 2005, HRC would have found a way to get on with him!

He bitched that his Yamaha was slower than the Hondas, then he bitched that his Honda was slower than the Repsol Hondas, then he got on a Repsol Honda and bitched that it didn't handle right. The reason Honda ditched him was that he was an unsuccessful bitcher.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I reckon if he'd won the championship in 2005, HRC would have found a way to get on with him!

He bitched that his Yamaha was slower than the Hondas, then he bitched that his Honda was slower than the Repsol Hondas, then he got on a Repsol Honda and bitched that it didn't handle right. The reason Honda ditched him was that he was an unsuccessful bitcher.

lol. Yeah I reckon too mate!

[DidJit]

Picks for Motegi?

1. Ezpeleta
2. Spec ECU
3. Honda/Yamaha/Ducati/anyone-else-who-wants-to-play

[roogazza]

Picks for Motegi?

1. Ezpeleta
2. Spec ECU
3. Honda/Yamaha/Ducati/anyone-else-who-wants-to-play

Lol , maybe Horhay for 3rd ?

ps Saw him in Biaggi's pit Sunday night. Enjoyed the racing too, quite a lot happening in the last round. What was it, half a point in the end ?

pps Stoner to help out Pedrosa, Tui Ad. Maybe he should, we,we,we ?

[DidJit]

Yup, ½ a point.

Gonna pull a CFWB here and say, Stoner will help out by winning the remaining races and leave it up to Dani to put himself in front of Jorge.

[Bender]

Stoner to help out Pedrosa, Tui Ad. Maybe he should, we,we,we ?

I sure don't want to see Stoner's final rides in MGP hobbled by team orders so he can let Pedrosa win. I want to see the usual full throttle sliding, black tyre marks and brutal muscling of the Honda - in other words the excitement that makes me like Stoner.

We have a property for sale at the moment and if it goes in time I am buying a ticket to Phillip Island, because I get the sneaking suspicion that he might totally cut loose and provide one of the great all-time rides of his career. THAT would be worth every cent.

[DidJit]

...We have a property for sale at the moment and if it goes in time I am buying a ticket to Phillip Island, because I get the sneaking suspicion that he might totally cut loose and provide one of the great all-time rides of his career. THAT would be worth every cent.

Stop it — you're making me look around for things I can sell too.