MotoGP 2012

[Robert Taylor]

robert,
"this is more than about the riders"

??????????????

You dont get it do you? Honda want to win the championship ( as do Yamaha ) and they have ( in reality ) been mortal enemies for decades. If Stoner and Pedrosa are running one two this afternoon it would MAKE PERFECT SENSE to have team orders to allow Pedrosa through to win, thereby collecting a bigger points haul against Lorenzo. This happens all the time in Formula 1, theres always a debate about the ethics in doing so but MANUFACTURERS WANT TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS and the rider is ( in cold hard ''inhuman'' terms ) just part of the equation.
Heck if I was Nakamoto ( the Japanese Honda team manager / minder ) Id be doing that, even if there had to be a substanial backhander to the Aussie. In case you are not aware this is actually a business at that level.

[wayne]

maybe tour de france is more you go then

[BMWST?]

While it can never be substantiated Ive heard more than a few rumours over the years of what things were done that were ''the other side of the line'' to enable this Aussie to get to Europe. That has over time placed enough doubt in my mind to have a dislike for him. Such things are never published because they are potentially libellous, so dont ask me to repeat them here .( Its amazing what you hear when you spend time in Europe, and I also know some indusry people including some Aussies that work at the sharp end in MotoGP.) When he is ''down in the dumps'' because things are not going so well he wont even look at the cameras and clearly has a surly nature, thats very dislikeable. Rossi hasnt had a good couple of seasons but he can still smile at all the fans. ( Actually Jorge and Dani could both learn from that as well )
The only two things that he has going for him ( in my mind ) are the leathers he is attired with ( Alpinestars ) and the suspension he uses ( Ohlins ) Yes he likely will win today because of his great talent, but if Jorge or Dani spoil his party( on their own merits ) that would be great. I also firmly believe that if he and Jorge were on identical bikes Jorge would over the course of a season stay upright for longer and have more points at the end of a season. Which is exactly where Jorge is now, on a bike that is clearly now not as quick as the Honda, and he is further hampered by a shortage of engines ( too many blow-ups ) so Yamaha clearly have to be conservative with the engine settings.
Also has anyone else thought that because Moaner is ( because of his own failings ) now not going for a championship Honda will have turned the wick up on his engine for this round?
If for some reason Jorge stumbles today or at the final round then Dani will be a very worthy champion. If Honda use their brains and Moaner and Dani are running one two then they should have team orders ( as In F1 ) to let the guy fighting for the championship win the race. This is more than about the riders.

Laughable.If Honda were who you say they were they would turn the wick DOWN so that he wouldnt beat Dani.And whats wrong with Nolan and Brembo?
I beleive the Stoner family sacrificed a great deal to get Casey to where he is now.Perhaps some of the social aspects of Caseys behaviour you seem to despise are due to his unusual upbringing.It would be a sad sad world if personalities and behaviour were all of the Rossi,and Hayden mould.
I cant wait for the last two races,and let Dani and Jorge bring this to a close.Its up to those two,and in my mind Jorge cant lose

[Robert Taylor]

maybe tour de france is more you go then

Now you are being stupid, apologies for stating the obvious

[jellywrestler]

go back to the WSB series when Faggoty and Slight went to, I think from memory, japan for the last round. one was going to win the championship there both were michelin, both honda and both castrol sponsored but one man would get more publicity in the UK than the other, Faggoty of course, Slight was way off the pace that day.
Funny thing is that when Slight went back to the same racetrack about three weeks late he was nearly 3/4 of a second quicker on the same bike he used to come second behind Fogarty.

[Robert Taylor]

Laughable.If Honda were who you say they were they would turn the wick DOWN so that he wouldnt beat Dani.And whats wrong with Nolan and Brembo?
I beleive the Stoner family sacrificed a great deal to get Casey to where he is now.Perhaps some of the social aspects of Caseys behaviour you seem to despise are due to his unusual upbringing.It would be a sad sad world if personalities and behaviour were all of the Rossi,and Hayden mould.
I cant wait for the last two races,and let Dani and Jorge bring this to a close.Its up to those two,and in my mind Jorge cant lose

Yes they could well do so for the race itself, as another strategy. Jorge in fact can lose, all it will take is one DNF. Laughable?

[wayne]

Heck if I was Nakamoto ( the Japanese Honda team manager / minder ) Id be doing that, even if there had to be a substanial backhander to the Aussie. In case you are not aware this is actually a business at that level.[/QUOTE]


shoners commerical problem is he would lower himself to your level of planning......... substanial backhanders to the aussie,

like you
he enjoys winning better... fair ...............

thats sport

[Shaun]

go back to the WSB series when Faggoty and Slight went to, I think from memory, japan for the last round. one was going to win the championship there both were michelin, both honda and both castrol sponsored but one man would get more publicity in the UK than the other, Faggoty of course, Slight was way off the pace that day.
Funny thing is that when Slight went back to the same racetrack about three weeks late he was nearly 3/4 of a second quicker on the same bike he used to come second behind Fogarty.

of course it is possible that time difference was achieved due to Aaron not being under and real pressure, his one weak link as a world class racer to me was his mind set with dealing with issues, his book shows a lot of that, extremelly good rider that he was

[Robert Taylor]

Heck if I was Nakamoto ( the Japanese Honda team manager / minder ) Id be doing that, even if there had to be a substanial backhander to the Aussie. In case you are not aware this is actually a business at that level.

shoners commerical problem is he would lower himself to your level of planning......... substanial backhanders to the aussie,

like you
he enjoys winning better... fair ...............

thats sport[/QUOTE]

There is not much that is fair in this world, given your time on this planet Id have thought youd have worked that out by now? This is not a justification of what goes on, its just a reality and especially for those that havent ventured far from NZ its a shocking realisation when they happen upon it.

[BMWST?]

Yes they could well do so for the race itself, as another strategy. Jorge in fact can lose, all it will take is one DNF. Laughable?

Jorge can lose but its not likely barring something unusual happening which of course is possible.As far as the laughable bit goes i apologise.I obvoiusly beleive what i beleive and you have other beleifs.Lets let it go at that.

[wayne]

Robert
so your commerical world should be able to control riders to do what the commerical world desire

your sporting morals

so you want to pay people (to bribe) to get the results you want in sport, interesting way of thinking

[Bender]

. In case you are not aware this is actually a business at that level.

And the people who fund it are the punters who pay to go to the track or on pay TV. Any time "team orders" see a faster person slow down to let another rider or driver past is a travesty and it plain sucks. It is banned in Formula One because the punters hate it. Why bother to have a race at all?

It's just.plain.wrong.

[tail_end_charlie]

Well I think we can pretty safely say that it isn't going to happen in this race for multiple reasons.

1. Stoner has already shown that he has a good 1/2 second on everybody on the grid, if he doesn't have that in the race if will be obvious that HRC has done something to 'retard' him. And that would seriously piss of the punters, which would cause far more bad press for Honda than loosing the championship.

2. Team orders could be given, but its extremely unlikely that Casey will give a damn about team orders. Whats Honda gonna do to him?

Not saying that Casey's win is a sure thing, far from it, cause this is racing, and anything can happen in racing. But seriously, what would be the point of racing if Casey did 1:30's around the track the entire race by himself, and then had to cruise around the last lap to let Pedrosa pass him for the win. Might as well crown the winner of the Championship at the beginning of the season and skip all this expensive racing bullshit, right?

[puddytat]

well I reckon Stoner will bin it & it'll be another 2 horse show......
Thank God for moto2/3....

[denill]

Yes he does ride good and I acknowledged that, but my other comments steadfastly remain. I dont have to like him and that wont happen anytime soon given the unsavoury stuff that I have heard from people very close to his coalface. Anyway, what will be will be.

Robert, you have the problem, not Stoner. One can only use imagination to wonder what you're alluding to and it's real easy to cast aspersions with out givng reasons. And it's not very fair either.

I have to agree with BMWST:

Laughable.If Honda were who you say they were they would turn the wick DOWN so that he wouldnt beat Dani.And whats wrong with Nolan and Brembo?
I beleive the Stoner family sacrificed a great deal to get Casey to where he is now.Perhaps some of the social aspects of Caseys behaviour you seem to despise are due to his unusual upbringing.It would be a sad sad world if personalities and behaviour were all of the Rossi,and Hayden mould.
I cant wait for the last two races,and let Dani and Jorge bring this to a close.Its up to those two,and in my mind Jorge cant lose

Go Casey